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Posted 01/02/2025   6:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Skyonline123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello all,

I'm sorting some kiloware and this is the first in a while I've been unable to identify due to the text overlaying it.

The text over the stamp is greek and roughly translates accepted Geneva, Athens...and that's all I can make out. Any help would be appreciated!

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Posted 01/02/2025   9:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Captain Stamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello !
For now, I didn't identified this stamp yet, i'll do more research but for now, I remarked that the description of the stamp (not talking about the overprint) is wrote in arabic. So the stamp is probably not a greek one. But the overprint, yes. That's all I can say for now. Hope that people that are more experts will help you more.

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Posted 01/02/2025   10:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's upside down.
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Posted 01/02/2025   10:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Captain Stamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
that's true ! but that still looks like wrote in arabic.
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Posted 01/02/2025   10:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
TRY - Looking up Greek occupation on a Turkish revenue stamp .
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Posted 01/02/2025   11:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sky ----- My thinking from what you wrote about -- Geneva in the overprint in Greek is about the 1919 to 1922 where the Allies partitioning of Smyrna from the Ottoman Empire and given to Greece .[ Was the conference held in Geneva , Switzerland ? I don't know .] resulted in the overprint on a Ottoman revenue stamp.
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Posted 01/02/2025   11:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Overprint ? Or typographical cancellation on an Ottoman revenue stamp for posters and newspapers?

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Edited by vayolene - 01/03/2025 01:45 am
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Posted 01/03/2025   07:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Skyonline123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello all,

Thank you for your efforts and advice. I do agree with vayolene.

The stamp is a Turkey 1891 Sul5105 newspaper and advertisement revenue, 2 paras light blue Catalogue: Sul. 5105

I believe the text is due to newspaper, advertisement, or documentation printed over the stamp. It makes sense as if these stamps were mandatory by the state for tax revenue, then I imagine they would just ignore them and print over.
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Posted 01/03/2025   07:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Probably applied to a newspaper in Greek language before the newspaper itself was printed. So the newspaper article was printed over the tax stamp, as you suggest.
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Edited by NSK - 01/03/2025 07:26 am
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Posted 01/03/2025   07:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Skyonline123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Indeed NSK. It makes for a very pretty/unique look. I quite like it!
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Posted 01/03/2025   08:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a common Ottoman revenue stamp with a value of less than a dollar . There are a few for sale on the internet right now . I like the Greek overprinting , I don't think the Turks would be too happy to have Greeks overprinting them . That is why I am thinking that was done during Smyrna occupation .

That would make it a interesting item to both Greek and Turkish collectors ,the value would be higher because of that .
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Posted 01/03/2025   08:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Skyonline123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I will look into the history of this and see if I can find a reason for the greek overprinting :) I appreciate your knowledge on the topic!
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Posted 02/14/2025   5:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pjr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you're still interested, I may be able to help with the Greek text.

The language is the artificial form of Greek known as "Katharevousa", which would have been used in newspapers of the period.

The word after "Geneva" isn't "Athens", but a relative pronoun (neuter plural).

Here's everything I can translate, line by line:

... of others ...
... of accepted ...
... of Geneva, which things ...
... [Kon]stantaros(?) ...
... they find ...
... once only ...
... ancient and known(?) ...
... and from the ...
... he (or she or it) received and ...
... Sale(?) ...

My completion of the fourth line as the surname Konstantaros is very speculative.

Any use?
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Edited by pjr - 02/14/2025 6:35 pm
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Posted 02/14/2025   6:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The stamp is a Turkey 1891 Sul5105 newspaper and advertisement revenue, 2 paras light blue Catalogue: Sul. 5105

I believe the text is due to newspaper, advertisement, or documentation printed over the stamp. It makes sense as if these stamps were mandatory by the state for tax revenue, then I imagine they would just ignore them and print over.


Yes, and here is another similar one:


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