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Pushing 330,000 All Different Worldwide Stamps In One Collection .

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Posted 01/20/2023   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Every collector starts somewhere . This album was my start ,three of us younger boys would go and watch the older boys who were 8 to 12 years old trade stamps between themselfs on the front porch or steps across the street .

If they had more than three copies of the same stamp they would give them to the younger boys . I took my handful home to show my mother my treasures . After a week or two and seeing that I was serious about stamps ,she purchase the below album at WOOLWORTHS in downtown Providence R.I. for 25 cents . I was now ready to expand my treasures .

First place to go was the library and order from the stamp page of BOYS LIFE magazine , they had great offers like 100 different stamps for 10 cents with approvals . I must of ordered over five different offers ,now everybody knew I was serious about stamps .
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Posted 01/21/2023   10:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hy-brasil you said "May be bring brass knuckles to both auction and viewing " ---that is not necessary ,because now I can bring my new umbrella .


I went to the gas station today for fuel . Their card reader wasn't working ,so I went into the store to pay . I seen these umbrellas on the rack and thought what you said here ,so I purchase one ,yes they are solid and strong plastic besides they have to be legal {I would bet in Chicago they would not be legal }
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Posted 01/22/2023   11:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add backroads to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just had to toss in my two bits worth. I do have a general world wide collection and suspect that the count is up there but really have no clue as to how many. It currently occupies 3 IKEA book cases in 100(ish) binders and albums. No, I have not counted them either. I actually have very few stamp albums as such because the cost there is beyond my pay grade and have been creating pages of my own with some commentary where something interesting pops up. Questions on this site often produce really interesting information that just begs to be included. My biggest expense is actually in finding a good quality acid free paper of a decent weight for mounting.

My purchases tend to be bulk lots or collections and, when I have sorted through and added what I can, I have found that a little time spent in sorting and cleaning up the remainders allows me to sell off the material at a price close to what I originally paid so that part actually costs me very little. I used to do this largely on eBay but have given up on them the last couple of years simply because their whole process has become irritating. Now I just post on a local Kijiji site where, eventually and at a low enough price, most everything goes. Yes, some has been given away for free just to move it out of my closet. As to mounting, if it reaches me mnh then it remains that way or if it has an actual catalogue value then it probably will be a hingeless mount as well. Otherwise, it it was previously hinged, I have no qualms about using one myself.

It's always been fun. That is the key and the fact that I can lose myself in it for hours is the reason that I have always kept at it. Unfortunately, none of my children or grandchildren seem to have any real interest in the hobby so a very prominent, neon orange, small binder in Bookcase #1 has a detailed outline of how the collection may be disposed of and a more or less up to date inventory (by country) along with a more or less up to date (2019) Scott Catalogue. Another thing I don't afford new but buy every few years as second hand at a fraction of the cost.
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Posted 01/26/2023   09:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BACKROADS ---- I ran into the same problem many years ago of counting my collection . My daughter gave me the answer {she is a MBA grad from Stanford Univ. and was working for Apple } .

She said don't select the binders and albums on the bookshelves to be counted but do a random count by counting every 6 or 8 binder or album ,just as they are on the bookcases . . She said, this will give me a rough number ,then just multiple that by the 6 or 8 number . This will give me a rough total number.

It is time to do it again since moving to Florida . A lot has been added since retirement by still plan to add a lot more over the next few years .
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Posted 01/28/2023   09:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Someday I need to write a book about building a decent WORLDWIDE COLLECTION .

The problems of collecting continues each year T ..........Now with four bookcases ,I am running out space . The problem is I like having a seperate binder for each country ,plus having a seperate binder for different subject matters like Berlin , Bangladesh private overprints , U.S. Plate number coils , China Liberated Area's and the list goes on .

I was in Walmart the other day ,they had those softcover school binders ,made of soft cardboard with 3 metal clips inside . The cost was 39 cents ,so thinking those 3 ring binders with 15 pages or less that I have on the bookcases would be better put in the paper binders then kept in one of those colorful plastic milk crates that they also sell . I then could free up a lot of space that is being used up by all the one inch stiff
3 ring binders .
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Posted 02/01/2023   1:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Reading the book "The Avery Collection of the Postage Stamps of the World " by W.H. Peckitt .

In the book ,they talk about his purchases of many established collections, then going back to another book which I read the book "The World's Greatest Stamp Collectors " by S.M. Bierman ,he also states Thomas K. Tapling did the same thing he claims "Undoubtedly the completeness of the Tapling Collection resulted from the fortuitous timing of his purchases of large and complete collections formed by early philatelic pioneers."

So to push the limits of a stamp collection you have to be buying other peoples collection .
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Posted 02/01/2023   7:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Thinkstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
floortrader, you are right about buying/getting someone else's collection to push the limits your own. It's the stuff philatelic dreams are made of.

It happened to me twice in 40+ years. One was inherited and that was worldwide. The other time was a one country collection that I really had to stretch my budget to acquire.

On the inherited one, it took years to go through and at end I sold enough remaindered to pay for most of my daughters' college costs for half a year.

On the other, I saw what real quality is like and how complete, but yet still not finished, a collection can get. Both were many years ago.

Nowhere near the scale you refer to with Avery, but still significant. Untouched collections come up, but when they do, the percent of catalog or of estimate the collection reaches is, 99% of time, too high for me.
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Posted 02/01/2023   7:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Whenever this topic comes up, I remember this collection that Siegel sold in 2016. Mystic purchased it for $850,000 with tip.


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A VALUABLE AND IMPORTANT WORLDWIDE STAMP COLLECTION.
Offered intact from a collector's estate, by order of the trustee

This collection in 33 Scott Specialty albums is the result of at least three decades of dedicated collecting by one of those rare individuals who set out to complete the world. Excluding the United States and Possessions, which are not part of this collection, virtually every country is represented for the years stamps were issued up to the mid- 20th century. There are tens of thousands of unused and used stamps carefully mounted with hinges or in hingeless mounts. Hundreds of countries and thousands of completely filled pages are contained in this massive collection, which is offered intact, according to instructions received from the trustee of the deceased collector's trust.

It is impossible to describe every significant item in this collection, but the following overview will convey the "flavor" of the collection, as well as the scope and depth of representation. The Scott Specialty albums are arranged by geopolitical categories, and this overview follows that arrangement.

We begin with the two volumes of Great Britain, British Europe and Oceania, in which there is a valuable collection of Great Britain, including several scarce or rare ten-shilling, one- and five-pound Victoria issues, most of the George V and VI sets complete, a choice unused "V.R." Official and many of the other scarce Officials. The value of the Great Britain collection alone is in the mid-five figures. In addition to Great Britain there are solid collections of Australasia, including Australian States (an excellent showing of used classic issues, especially New South Wales and New Zealand) and Australia pound-value Kangaroos (mixed used and unused). Noteworthy scarce stamps among the Pacific Islands include Fiji Times Express and "VR" overprints, New Britain overprints, North Borneo (including Japanese Occupation), North-West Pacific Islands overprints and an unusually complete collection of Samoa Express stamps.

The next volume is dedicated to British America, including Canada and Maritime Provinces, and Caribbean and Latin American colonies. There is substantial value in the Canadian Pence and Large Queens issues, and Newfoundland is the most valuable of the Maritime Provinces. Dominica features the rare 1886 1p on 4p Green (14; SG 18) on piece, a major world rarity. Among the more valuable country collections is Turks Islands, featuring a selection of the scarce or rare surcharged issues. British Guiana boasts two of the typeset provisional issues.

Rounding out the British Colonial and Commonwealth countries are two volumes of British Africa and two volumes of British Asia.These albums are packed with complete sets and high-denomination George V and George VI issues, as well as the myriad overprinted issues from stamp-issuing entities in Africa and other colonial outposts. Madagascar is especially strong in Consular issues. The Mafeking Siege is represented by some of the scarcer provisionals. All together, the British Africa is a formidable collection worth six figures on its own. The British Asia collection is a bit lighter in the more valuable issues, but its total value is still in the mid-five figures, with Ceylon, India and Malaya dominating.

Next we come to the vast collection of Europe and European Colonies, contained in seventeen volumes, many of which are bulging with filled pages. Naturally, France and Germany dominate, with the classic issues well-represented and German States featuring a Saxony First Issue. Italian States are surprisingly complete and in excellent condition, including a choice Savoy Cross on piece. The undisputed highlight of the collection will be found in Switzerland, where a sound and Very Fine Double Geneva is located (with von der Weid certificate). This rare gem is a $20,000-$30,000 item and would satisfy the most discriminating collector.

The volumes containing Scandinavia-Finland (one), Latin West Indies (one), Central and South America (five) will impress the viewer with their completeness and many scarce issues. Two volumes of Independent Countries of Asia have most of the value concentrated in China, where a 5c Large Dragon Wide Spacing and Red Revenues light up the pages. There is also a separate collection of People's Republic of China contained in two three-ring notebooks, which is worth several thousand dollars (it contains the Year of the Monkey stamp).

Regarding condition, this is most definitely not a "spacefiller" collection. The better stamps in this collection are at least Fine and more often Very Fine. It contains stamps that were bought at auction and from dealers at significant percentages of catalogue value. Some of the sets are mixed unused and used, and minor faults in some of the classic issues should be expected, but sound Very Fine stamps with catalogue values in excess of $500.00 will be found throughout. There are a large number of expert certificates, and we detected very few problematic stamps.

Our conservative estimate is based on the fair market value of the stamps if they were offered in typical individual lots and small country collections. The estimate does not reflect the extraordinary opportunity to acquire a worldwide collection of this vast scope and depth in one lot. Filling page after page with the sets and scarce issues found in this collection took decades and, if attempted incrementally, would take an equal amount of time. For someone who loves stamps -- the entire world of stamps -- and wants a "turn-key" worldwide collection on which to build, this is a unique opportunity. Needless to say, for a dealer with the means to make a substantial investment, its acquisition within, or even above, our estimate range holds certain potential for a substantial resale profit.

NOTICE REGARDING LOT 3946 IN SIEGEL SALE 1143

Special presale registration will be required in order to bid on lot 3946. This lot will only be released to the winning bidder after payment in full in cleared funds has been made. Prospective bidders who wish to examine lot 3946 must make an appointment for viewing.

REGISTRATION/APPROVAL/PAYMENT: To register and receive approval for bidding on lot 3946, please contact Colleen Stellato at Siegel Auction Galleries by telephone at 212-753-6421 or email colleen@siegelauctions.com. Prospective bidders on lot 3946, even if known to our firm, must allow at least three full business days for approval. References (trade and personal) may be required. The Siegel firm reserves the right to require a deposit prior to bidding or to refuse bids from anyone whom Siegel, in its absolute discretion, does not deem to be a bona fide bidder for lot 3946, even if the bidder has been approved by Siegel or Stamp Auction Network to bid on other lots. The successful purchaser of lot 3946 must make arrangements for payment in cleared funds (including sales tax or customs duty) within ten business days of the sale. Delivery charges, if any, will be invoiced separately and must be paid before delivery.

VIEWING: Viewing of lot 3946 will be by appointment only under Siegel's close supervision. To schedule an appointment, please contact Andrew Titley at Siegel Auction Galleries by telephone at 212-753-6421 or email andrew@siegelauctions.com. Prospective viewers should allow at least two hours to examine the entire lot. Siegel reserves the right to rotate viewers during a viewing session.

IN ADDITION TO THE ABOVE NOTICE, ALL CONDITIONS OF SALE WILL BE APPLICABLE TO THE OFFERING OF LOT 3946.

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Posted 02/02/2023   09:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thinkstamp -- " It's the stuff philatelic dreams are made of " Agree ......Since all worldwide collectors really start the same . We all change as we develop our collections . For those of us who continue and stay with it over the long term are the one's who see their dreams come true .
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Posted 02/02/2023   10:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Selling a worldwide collection for $850,000 is amazing ,that is a collection that should of been scanned and made into a seperate website . To sell a collection for that much in a period like 2016 which wasn't a hot philatelic market is something .

That collection had to have two important things about it . First is a lot of very high price stamps in very fine condition stamps over $5,000 or $10,000 would be everywhere thru out the collection . The second which the article states is a lot of high price complete sets { the writter uses completed pages } . That would also mean sets into the hundreds if not thousands of dollars per set .
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Posted 02/02/2023   10:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Who was the collector who assembled that collection shown in rogdcam's post?
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Posted 02/02/2023   10:36 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That was Floortrader's wife after she got hold of the key to the deposit box.
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Posted 02/02/2023   10:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, is he gonna be mad.

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Posted 02/02/2023   1:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have never been able to find out who owned the collection and I have tried. I would also love to know what Mystic did with it. There was an article that I saw in the past where Sundman spoke about it, but I cannot find it.
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Posted 02/02/2023   2:26 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mr Sundman brought you a dream, I suppose.
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