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1863 Lallier Worldwide Album

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Posted 04/02/2018   9:34 pm  Show Profile Check KRelyea's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add KRelyea to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I found this very early album in a box of collections. It's in pretty nice shape and there are some useful stamps. There is a nice youtube presentation of this album (not mine);

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Posted 04/02/2018   11:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Lallier winning bid $1000

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Posted 04/03/2018   02:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice to see a really old one like this, well-made, with a clasp, too. Very much like a photo album. Note the provision for stationery cut squares that bedevil newer collectors today. And here is the explanation for the existing cut-to-shape GB high values: they were made to fit in albums like this.

M. Lallier, ce n'est pas Christophe Colomb, c'est Jacques Cartier. Translation to avoid censure: Mr. Lallier, that's not Christopher Columbus, that's Jacques Cartier.
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Posted 04/03/2018   04:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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And here is the explanation for the existing cut-to-shape GB high values: they were made to fit in albums like this.


Well spotted HB!

Saving that image.
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Posted 04/04/2018   09:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add svensson to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful album, I'd leave everything in it...though many are damaged.
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Posted 04/13/2018   10:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add phoenixops to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Does there exist an inventory or count of surviving Lallier albums? I see two listed here. Where are the others? How many were printed?

Perhaps a bit naive on my part, but the heart does jump a bit seeing these beautiful collections.

Any insight into these matters would be welcome.
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Lalliers are not all that uncommon to still find. Sandafayre just sold a lot of five for 400 pounds. 14 editions were published over the course of 14 years in five different languages.
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Posted 04/14/2018   12:09 am  Show Profile Check KRelyea's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add KRelyea to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The buyer told me he planned on keeping it intact.


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Posted 04/14/2018   01:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrewM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What a nice old album. The way it was at the beginning of stamp collecting.
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I know this is an old post, but I had a couple of questions about the early techniques for removing stamps from covers and then remounting them in an album. It seems like a lot of stamps in early albums have thins or even holes in the middle, which leads me to believe that many did not know to soak them so simply tore them off. Secondly, were mounts not in widespread use? The reason I ask is because I do see some stamps on the albums with what looks like excess glue around them (see the orange USA stamp on the last image of the original post).
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Stamps were typically glued in or attached with stamp-edging. Remember that, in the early days of collecting, interest, as with other printed scraps, lay in the image, not the trivia.
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@GeoffHa, what is stamp-edging? I tried Googling it but what comes up is related to gardening.
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Often times when you process a really old album you find that the stamps are attached to the pages with tiny hand cut pieces of folded paper that are really the precursor to modern hinges. The glue that was used never wants to relinquish its grip likely because it is "horse" or animal glue made of collagen.
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Posted 11/26/2024   8:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Stamp-edging" would be the selvage. Or as Geoff would correct me, selvedge.
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Thanks for the responses @GeoffHa, @rogdcam and @Germania
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Yes, as some have said, early collectors often ruined stamps by our modern standards. They cut stamps to shape to fit the spaces provided on album pages, as can be seen here with the early GB stamps. Many of them floating around today in albums look like some demented child got ahold of them with a pair of Mommy's eyebrow scissors and went to work clipping around the exact border of the stamp design. This is no longer encouraged.

"Cut squares" from embossed envelopes are today cut as a rectangle and left that way. Back in the dark days they were cut around the edges of the design, often an oval. Today this is depressing to see.

As has been mentioned also, stamps were often mounted in albums in interesting and creative ways that basically ruined the stamps forever. One method was to wet any remaining glue on the back of the stamp, or apply some new glue that you had lying around the house, and attach the stamp that way. Not a good approach.

Alternately, some collectors, realizing this ruined stamps and made them almost impossible to remove from older albums to remount in newer albums, began to "hinge" stamps into their albums. The only problem with this approach was that there was yet no such thing as stamp hinges! So, being creative, they used selvage or other gummed paper, folded it, and applied one edge to the back of the stamp and the other to the album. This at least made removing the stamp possible later, but it also left a glued-on piece of paper stuck permanently to the stamp. Halfway success, but not complete success.

And so on.

I'm not sure which genius came out with the first real stamp hinges, but I've thought that with all the "contributions to philately" awards various stamp organizations love to hand out at their dinner soirees, you'd think that Joe Blow from Kokomo or whoever it was who was first to develop the lowly removable stamp hinge, would have received their Platinum Award with Oak Leaf Clusters by now for this genuinely clever invention that virtually saved stamp collecting single-handedly -- whoever they were. Any ideas on who this guy may have been should be mentioned here. Somewhere in a dusty old copy of a stamp magazine there must be an ad touting "Newly Developed! Removable hinges with which to mount your stamps!"

Stamp "mounts" are a much later invention. I remember H.E. Harris & Co. in the 1950s or early 1960s marketing their "Crystal Mounts" to allow mounting stamps without touching the back of the stamp even with a hinge. Getting stamps into these hinges was not fun. This is the invention that made collecting "never hinged" stamps possible. And some would add, "also allowed the jacking up of prices" but it's your choice, after all. These mounts turned out to be awful in some ways, leaving glue residue everywhere, impossible to remove stamps from in some cases, and generally unattractive. They still exist today in many albums. In fact, leftover supplies of them still sell on Ebay surprisingly for those who enjoy doing things the hard way and don't mind their album pages looking pretty bad.

Over the next few decades, later iterations of stamp mounts improved significantly on this uncomfortable beginning. Modern mounts are excellent for preserving stamps. I used my own first stamp mounts in the early 1970s so they did exist in various versions at that time. This was in a Davo Belgium album I purchased in Brussels in 1971. What brand they were, I have no idea but I don't think it exists anymore. They were black-backed, they came in small sheets, and you cut them to the size you wanted. That way, they ended up being open at the top and one side. Not the best idea anyone ever had. Today's mounts are much better, thank goodness.

This ancient album set me off on this essay for some reason! The original owner of this old album did an excellent job finding so many early stamps, I have to say. Old albums are one reason we have stamps to collect today -- and stamp collecting as a hobby -- as they were probably the main thing that preserved so many stamps that would otherwise have been tossed into the trash by all those barbaric non-collectors we're forced to live among.
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