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New South Wales Numeral Cancels

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Posted 03/08/2023   8:52 pm  Show Profile Check 64idgaf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 64idgaf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
[That looks like a Danish numeral cancel]

I can't understand how this would occur.

Could it be an NSW railway cancel?
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Posted 03/08/2023   9:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It was cancelled on arrival. These things are rare, but foreign postmarks on NSW stamps do turn up from time to time.

It's not a NSW railway cancel. It is a very nice find
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Edited by Bobby De La Rue - 03/08/2023 9:38 pm
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Posted 03/08/2023   9:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Still odd on a Australian postage due ?
So the item would have been returned in Oz for the due to be affixed, then forwarded?

Number 2 from Christianhavn
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Edited by rod222 - 03/08/2023 9:54 pm
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Posted 03/09/2023   12:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd suggest that cancelling the postage due was overlooked/missed at the time of dispatch. Who knows - maybe the stamps paying the postage (assuming they were there) were overlooked too. It did happen.

If there were no postage stamps, maybe the due was deliberately left uncancelled, so as to alert the authorities at the destination?

The letter rate to Denmark via London was 4d from 1/1/1891. The registration fee was 4d at 1/1/1891 and reduced to 3d on 1/10/1891. The postage due was double the deficiency, so 8d works in nicely.
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Edited by Bobby De La Rue - 03/09/2023 12:18 am
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Posted 03/09/2023   12:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
All sage suggestions,
I had overlooked the 8d due, yes fits nicely
Saved for future considerations.

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Posted 03/09/2023   02:20 am  Show Profile Check 64idgaf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 64idgaf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The postage due adhesive was only used as a receipt for the payment of the amount due. For example, a short-paid letter destined for Denmark would not be affixed to a letter and then forwarded for deficient processing.

Potentially a letter could be taxed here for onforwarding to another destination but the postage due adhesive would, in all likelihood, be cancelled here.
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Posted 03/09/2023   06:46 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

This is a long way from my area of specialisation but it would be interesting to see more information on the period of usage of this canceller.

The NSW postage due is from the 1890's yet most of the examples I see on the net are Frankfurt 220 cancels on Thurn and Taxis (German) stamps from the 1860's.

Entering the search parameters below into this database will yield images of 220 cancels.

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Posted 03/09/2023   07:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not a specialist.
The Denmark 220 numeral 1864-1890
The Denmark appears to suit better, the top loop of the "2" is curled inwards more on the Frankfurt


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Edited by rod222 - 03/09/2023 07:10 am
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Posted 03/09/2023   3:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Thurn & Taxis is an interesting comparison, but the tops of the 2s are far more curly than the postmark on the postage due, as Rod has stated.

We can also discount my silly statement yesterday about registration being unpaid. If the article was registered it would've been handed over at the counter

The method of handling unpaid letters changed between 1888 and 1894 (I have photocopies of the relevant pages of the Oct 1888 and Oct 1894 postal guides).

Generally speaking, in 1888 wholly unpaid letters were returned to the sender.

By 1894 the guide says "Unpaid and insufficiently prepaid letters will be forwarded to destination, but double the unpaid postage, or double the deficient postage, as the case may be, will be charged on delivery."

I'm sticking with the 1891 4d via London unpaid theory, although the possibility certainly exists that the letter went by another route and was short paid by 4d.
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Posted 03/09/2023   5:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
We can also discount my silly statement yesterday about registration being unpaid.


Nothing silly about that Bobby,
It's the benefit of exchange of ideas and suggestions between respectful participants.
That's a good forum at work!

I find when answering queries, it forces one to reflect on what you are about to type. That sometimes brings lightbulb moments.

This thread reminds me of a heated discussion I had years ago,
about a Brunswick Star Pmk (Tain Scotland) on German Aussie? stamp
(Memory a bit cloudy)
Never was resolved, just one of those weird occurrences that can happen.

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Edited by rod222 - 03/09/2023 5:54 pm
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Posted 03/09/2023   7:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just me kicking myself in the pants Rod.

As I said to one of the auction house owners a couple of years ago, if I stop making mistakes I'm in very big trouble!

Your Germany stamp is very interesting. Is there anything in Billig's volume 18?
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Posted 03/09/2023   8:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don't wish to Hijack this thread, but
TAIN is Pmk 320 (Ross-Shire)
Never seen another Pmk image.

Billigs Page 57 9 Kreuzer valid until Dec 31st 1874
Stamps come in sizes (sides) 14 holes, 15, holes and 16 holes
also small, medium, and large perf holes.
Rough perf ( STAMPS WERE PERFORATED FROM THE BACK)
There's something I have never come across.
3-4 times rarer than the normal perf, but less in price, due to its UGLY APPEARANCE.
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Posted 03/09/2023   11:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes but it's not a Scottish cancel.

I had a look earlier this morning but I couldn't find anything like the cancel.

The only Brunswick star cancels I can think of are Edinburgh and Brisbane.


EDIT: Have a look here Rod.

https://www.postiljonen.se/195.pdf

Go to lots 421-425 and note the type of cancellation.

Are we getting warmer?
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Edited by Bobby De La Rue - 03/10/2023 12:12 am
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Posted 03/30/2023   5:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tasnaki to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looking for help with this one please.




To me it looks like 1285 but as this has a rating of RRRRR it is very unlikely!

Tasnaki
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