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Posted 02/21/2025   10:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add helder to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
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Hi all,
Recently I got the postcard below and since then I'm looking for more information about it.
Specifically I want to know what mean the areas circulated in red.

What I know (correct me if I'm wrong) is that because of the stamp if seems to be an official mail. The code D136EF was suggested to be a Wehrmacht division but searching on many Wehrmacht related lists I couldn't find this number.

Any information would be helpful.
Thank you!


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Posted 02/21/2025   10:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You might want to either wait for PostmasterGS to chime in, or Email him. He is THE German authority on this forum


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Posted 02/21/2025   10:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aolsson to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
D136EF is a modern note added by a philatelist. It refers tothe number in the Michel catalog. D=Dienstmarke=Official stamp
136 is the Michel number
EF=EinzelFrankatur=Solo use
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Posted 02/21/2025   11:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add helder to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice catch @aolsoon, thank you!
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Posted 02/21/2025   11:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The two bits in the addressee portion appear to be job titles.

Gräber Offz. = Gräberoffizier, which would be a graves registration officer.
N. Offz. = something beginning with a N officer.

I think the bit on the side starts with "Bitte bestelle" (please order). Not sure what the rest is. A native speaker might know, or it could just be something known only to the sender and receiver.
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Posted 02/21/2025   12:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add helder to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you @PostmasterGS, I'll keep digging...
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Posted 02/21/2025   3:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sigistenz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As a native speaker I'll have a try. The postmark is from PRAHA 31.VII.(19)42 (=PRAGUE) capital of wartime German occupied Czechoslovakia.The pencilling below the Dienstmarke (=official stamp) could rather be "Grüber (=Family Name) Gefr(eiter?)."(abbrev. for Corporal) but normally the rank preceded the name. I never heard of the title of "graves officer ". What would he have had to do in then still unharmed peaceful Dresden (which was bombed only in 1945).
Recipient was Fräulein (=Miss) Elisabeth Weber (not sure about "N.Offz." - Nachrichten =signals Officer??) which was a later entry like the pencilled D136EF – no idea about that either. Never would a division be mentioned in mail!!
Dresden – N 15 is the city, General-Kdo (=Kommando) IV was some military facility, Königsplatz 3 the address.
Text :- "Prag (German name of Prague), 31.VII (=July) 42
My dear Lio! Many thanks for your birthday wishes. I am looking forward to seeing you soon, best, Juppel (?), (=a female person)
Please say hello to Mo-O.Ho.Po (no idea) and Dickerchen" (?) = probably lady friends)
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Edited by sigistenz - 02/21/2025 3:58 pm
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Posted 02/21/2025   4:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm pretty sure that says Gräberoffz. A Gräberoffizier was an officer responsible for registering the dead and ensuring proper burial, equivalent to a graves registration officer in the US armed forces. It's not likely the recipient was one, though, as it was typically a commissioned Wehrmacht officer who likely wasn't female and would have been referred to by rank, so who knows what was meant by it. It also looks like that portion may have been written later with a different instrument.
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Posted 02/21/2025   5:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add helder to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks @sigistenz.
So that Gen.-Kdo would be this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IV_Ar..._(Wehrmacht)

And that is the location of the receiver, right? So it means Ms. Weber was an officer?
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Posted 02/21/2025   5:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sigistenz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, bingo about the military facility. As to the people involved here, in my opinion this is between young lady secretaries.
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Posted 02/21/2025   5:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add helder to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Amazing! Thanks a lot.
I love to dig into this piece of history!
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Posted 02/21/2025   6:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aolsson to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am not an expert in this area but I have another question. Does this stamp really belong to this card.It is not tied by the machine cancel. The stamp is a German stamp and Prague was located in Bohemia and Moravia and they had their own stamps. The correspondance is also of private nature so I donot think that they were allowed to use official stamps for cards like this. If genuie, the only explanation I can see is that the stamp is some kind of postage due affixed in Dresden. Perhaps some kind of mail was allowed to be sent to the Kommando unfranked and then was paid on receipt by official stamps.
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Posted 02/21/2025   8:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Now that you mention it, the stamp appears to have a special cancel on it. I'll see of I can find which one it is. If it's German, the stamp and the cancel both would be inappropriate for use in Prague.
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Posted 02/23/2025   11:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add helder to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good points aolsson.
It seems there is some cancel on the stamp as well, but it is hard to say what it is since I can only see the numbers 12 and some other lines.
Moreover, if the sender was a secretary, couldn't she have the means to send something with official stamps without anybody checking?
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Posted 02/24/2025   06:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sigistenz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Helder, I changed my mind about correspondence among secretaries. The handwriting looks masculine rather than feminine, done by someone used to write by hand (signatures?) having a fountain pen which was rare in wartime Germany (and even years later). So the sender was maybe the officer lover of that secretary.
It has been said that the official stamp does not match with a private postcard. As can be seen it does not match with the postmark on the card either. And technically it could not have been used outside of the Reich (in occupied Czechoslovakia different postage stamps had been introduced).
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Edited by sigistenz - 02/24/2025 3:14 pm
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