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Posted 02/04/2025   10:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Captain Stamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello everyone!
I need thoughts about this image from a scanner. Is that a good quality image? Unfortunately, the scanner is changing the color shade.This is not the true brown shade this stamp is for true. Does that makes this scanner a "bad quality" one? Please tell me what you think about this image. Should I try to get a better scan to scan my stamps?

Thanks,

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Posted 02/04/2025   10:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scan quality is OK, but you should scan on a black background, and crop to just around the edges of the stamp before posting. That way we can see everything that we can see.

As far as the color, it has been discussed on this forum ad nauseam that the color you see on your monitor may not be the color that I see on my monitor, so don't worry about it. Best to scan a reference copy at the same time and beside the stamp that you are discussing to show us the perceived difference in color.

Everyone here has a different opinion about how many dpi to scan. I say use 1200 dpi, but I've seen others with as low as 300 dpi.
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Posted 02/04/2025   10:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Captain Stamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the advice, partime!
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Posted 02/05/2025   04:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sigistenz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To obtain a black background - place the stamp, don't close the scanner's lid but leave it open. Do the scan. You'll see the stamp on a black background. Why? The ceiling is too distant to be scanned
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Edited by sigistenz - 02/05/2025 05:46 am
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Posted 02/05/2025   07:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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A few things that have not been mentioned...
- Cameras are difficult to use to image stamps. This is because of hand shake on close-ups and the need to be 'squarely' positioned above the stamp to remove distortion. If you are serious about imaging stamp you will want to use a scanner.
- If you use a scanner, always scan with the lid closed.
- Avoid using software to manipulate the image since this then introduces un-natural modifications that, while making the image look better, changes what the stamp might actually look like in reality. This is especially true if you are posting for selling or for color determination.
- If color determination is the objective; scan the stamp together with other stamps so a relative comparison can be done.
- Consider purchasing a good quality scanner application like VueScan Professional if you plan on scanning a lot of stamps. These apps are far superior to the 'free' scan applets that come bundled with the scanner. They can perform batch scanning tasks which will save you large amounts of time. They also support using calibrated profiles so that your images stay consistent over time.
- Be aware of the optical resolution limits of the scanner. Avoid using software derived higher resolutions (which are marketed by the manufacturers) and are slow and introduce software manipulation of the image.
- For highest accuracy images avoid positioning stamps around edges of the platen glass; instead try to keep stamps in middle of the platen.
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Posted 02/05/2025   07:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gvol21 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I believe Rog is correct -- you'll want to scan with the lid closed, or otherwise place some sort of background so you don't have the ceiling, etc. in view. Even if you can't see it on the scan, it could be affecting the scan quality.

I still need to do this myself, but the best route to go would be to buy a piece of black paperboard from an office supply/art store and affix that to the inside of your scanner lid.
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Posted 02/05/2025   08:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The post by Rogdcam is a good start, and I would add that the scan should also fit the end purpose.
In other words "What do you intend to DO with the scan?"
If I am scanning covers for sale on Ebay, I do not need 1200 dpi images. Conversely, if I want to enlarge a stamp for a poster, 100dpi won't be satisfactory either.
And there are limiits to the file-size which can be posted here. When I post here, I intentionally make a scan which I can post without the need for further manipulation size-wise, and then consider making an additional scan at a higher resolution for other purposes.
And which file format to save it in, i.e. jpg, tiff, etc, which is often a matter of your intended end use.
SImilar with background color. This is a hobby where edges are important. A contrasting black, white, or gray background helps show the perforations, etc., or any corner wear on cards/covers. Black is not the universal answer. If I am scanning mouring stamps/covers, then black won't have any contrast.
Bottom line: think of the end-use and work backwards to select the appropriate resolution, file format, backgroud, etc.
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Edited by John Becker - 02/05/2025 09:05 am
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Posted 02/05/2025   08:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A few additional notes:

Most philatelic scanning is done with a black background. Most scanners' software is calibrated, by default, to produce the most accurate results in the factory setup – typically, a white background, lid closed, with the manufacturer's scanner software. Adding a black background or scanning with the lid open without altering any settings in the scanner software will result in changes in the color output.

Also, most scanner software comes with some "features" enabled by default (color sharpening, brightening, etc.) that will alter the color output. You need to disable all those "features".

Finally, to get truly accurate color reproduction, you need to calibrate the scanner software. Not all scanner software comes with the ability to do this, and for those that do, it's not always an easy process. The calibration targets can also be expensive.
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Edited by PostmasterGS - 02/05/2025 08:46 am
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Posted 02/05/2025   6:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Captain Stamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone! To answer John Becker's question, I want to scan stamps to post them on this forum, to, if I have to show my stamp to have help from experts, and, to have accurate images of my stamps if I have to take an accurate look at it. These are the principal reasons I want to scan my stamps.


I now use 1200 dpi, and, gvol21, thanks for the advice of the black paper, I already thought about it

I use the Epson trademark scan, it is not made to scan stamps, but it's pretty good to do what I principaly want.
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Posted 02/05/2025   7:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add drkohler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When I post an image here which has a size limitation, I always use IrfanView if the file size is too high (which it usually is).
My suggestion is to scan any image with the highest dpi as your time allows. 1200dpi usually is high enough for almost everything to show.
Only when I need to zoom into something like a plate flaw, I use 2400dpi for the selected area only. Notice the chip inside any scanner has limits, so scanning 9600dpi or higher is pointless as the chip limit on better scanners is around 2800dpi, for cheap $30 scanners it might be considerable lower).

You can always "downsize" the original into a copy image without losing any information of the original.

Notice there are document scanners and Photo scanners. The former are usually built into "Do everything" machines (printer., scanner, fax in earlier days). Usually the scanner part is the weakest link here. I have seen unsatisfactory scanning results with several of those printers. Calibrating a scanner is not quick and easy. You need special targets for it, if you have a photographer/camera shop near you, they might be able to provide the material for it. You also need a good manual...

When I need accurate results, I loan the calibrated Epson photo scanner from my brother.

With IrfanView, you can simply use jpg compression. Particularly with single color stamps, I can often downsize files by 70-80% without any noticeable degradation of the image.
Alternatively, you can use the Resample feature to reduce image size without compression.
The math behind IrfanView seems solid and sophisticated in what it does to images.
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Edited by drkohler - 02/05/2025 7:14 pm
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Posted 02/05/2025   7:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Captain Stamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the information!
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Posted 02/08/2025   9:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pjr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I scan every stamp I acquire at 2400 dpi, because that's the maximum my scanner supports. I'd use even higher resolution if I could. The storage space required on the computer is insignificant, and I know that I'll never have to re-scan a stamp if I want to zoom in on a detail.

I also use PNG (not JPG) as my image format, so that I can crop and rotate images without loss of detail.

You'll need quite a powerful computer to process large image files, but the extra cost of processing power is trivial compared to what we collectors already spend on albums and mounts and catalogues.
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Edited by pjr - 02/08/2025 10:00 pm
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Posted 02/08/2025   10:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Captain Stamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice! I personally use a scan that can scan at maximum 9600 dpi. I scan at 1200, and I crop the image after. Thanks for the advice!
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