Help With GB Cover Cancellations And Value

So I have this cover with what I believe is a Scott's #3 design A1a on cover....value $25, etc. Now the value for cancellations is the part I am confused about...the numeral cancel is on the stamp...447, but is the town cancel (from) the Blue one on the back??
The cover was sent from Leeds as proven by the address inside the cover envelope flap and the town cancel (?) on back (if that's what it is). The receiving cancel is also located on back and is very hard to read...I believe it is "Howden" based on the address.





If I chose to value this cover for sale, do I combine the cover value...($45) and the Blue town postmark (from)...$2600 and the Numerical black postmark (from) $24 for the total net worth?

Obviously, this cover and stamp are not in perfect condition... ! I wish to keep it but I want to send it in for a cert if its valued over $500. Let me know what you guys/gals think !

If I have this all wrong let me know...

One of the most common types of covers. Common numeral cancellation on an imperf - 1843-54 period of use. (Maltese cross was used from 1841-43 and is more desirable).

446 is Liverpool, one of the largest cities, and therefore a common numeral.

I will point out one cool thing - the postmaster would cut a strip of stamps, then cut up between each stamp leaving a little bit still attached. When needed, they could then pull gently and separate off the stamp they needed. If you look at the top end of each of the sides, you'll see that it goes up straight, then gets a bit "fuzzy" at the last 5-10% indicating this last bit was torn off. With good marketing, it might add a few dollars to the value (I'd pay $25 if I needed it, but probably not more, but you might have better luck that that).

The blue town cancel premium is if that is cancelling the stamp without the numeral cancellation. Even then, I'd say that a value of $2600 is inflated.

OK !! So The town cancel HAS to hit the stamp itself....Ive learned something today. I agree, I have no idea where they get these numbers from! Why would they put the Leeds stamp on the back?

Regulations. It is not a cancellation mark, but a date stamp so it is possible to determine how long it was in the post. The stamp had to be obliterated. The numeral 447 was for Leeds, not for Liverpool. Liverpool makes little sense. This had 466. 446 was for Ledbury until 1962.

Thank you NSK and chipg....OK, recapping my lesson......The CANCELLATION over the stamp is what determines the SCV....any DATE stamp anywhere else on the cover adds no additional value unless it is used as a cancel.

I see there are Maltese crosses, "Penny post" straight line, town postmarks, and Numeral postmarks listed in Scotts. How do I tell what they look like.....I mean, I get the Maltese cross, and straight line and numeral cancellations but what does the town cancel look like?

Are they just using the date stamp as a cancel and calling that a "Town" postmark? Or is there some other type?

I see duplex cancels with a town/barred numeral strike.....is that it? ...or is it NOT a duplex? I already saved the "GB Barred Numeral Postmark" page to my favorites. I'll eventually sort this out....Thanks !

Sorry about the Liverpool - was doing it from memory and it was late.
Regulations said that each stamp needed to be struck by a Maltese cross (originally) or numeral from the receiving post office (after 1843). Most other markings, such as town datestamps, were usually applied to the back from the sending, transit, and receiving posts. Local, penny post, and other instructional markings were not to be used to cancel the stamp. Occasionally, they partially struck the stamp. Rarely, they were used without a MX or numeral as cancellations (against regulations). That's why they are so pricey.

The cancellation and use sections are towards the middle and end of this set:
http://victoria.cgpostal.com

That should give you a pretty good overview of things.

Welcome to the wonderful world of the postal markings of Great Britain Rick2

It's a fascinating field to study. I've been under its spell for quite a few years now.

If we get a close up of the stamp somebody will be able to plate it for you.

This may be of background interest

https://banking-history.org.uk/reco...county-bank/

GeoffHa- OMG thats another rabbit hole....! Yeah I saw a Howden check on that page also....

Bobby De La Rue- I can only try, but with my crappy phone held to the microscope lens.....its not gonna look to pretty!! LOL

ChipG - OK, my computer gave me a malware warning when I tried the link to that site.....I may not be able to follow, we shall see...
Thanks All !

Yeah, for some reason, Google Chrome sometimes flags it as unsafe, but when you ask for more details, it says it's safe. The site doesn't generate any cookies or ask for any information, and has no trackers. Can't figure out what is causing the flag.

you can also try cgpostal.com and then click on the picture of the QV page (upper right).

If anyone knows why it's happening and what I can do about it, please let me know.
Chip

I might also ding the overall value a bit for the overall 'average' condition of the cover - it is a bit worn and rumpled with faded address ink. In other words, would a serious collector use feature this particular example in an exhibit at a large stamp show where they are hoping to win a top prize, or would they perhaps use it as a placeholder in their collection until they found a gem example? While condition is not quite as critical in postal history as it is in stamps, it is very important except when something is so rare that there are no known examples of better quality.

Which is why I have never exhibited and will never do so. It smacks of elitism.

I wonder how many other covers bearing the banker's markings on the flap are known? The one here couldn't possibly be unique.

Howden is in the East riding of Yorkshire, Leeds was in the West riding. Yorkshire was the biggest county in England and until the 1870s was split into three areas called ridings. Howden is S.S.East of Leeds and by 1846 there had been a rail link between the two for over 5 years.