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Is This Stamp Doubled?

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Posted 11/26/2024   11:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Lampy288 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
The justice stamp is just a reference but the Dept of state Specimen looks doubled, I appreciate any help with this.
Thank you,

Eric



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Posted 11/27/2024   12:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is a very poor quality fake overprint.
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Posted 11/27/2024   12:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It, "SPECIMEN" does not look doubled but the letters are clearly out of alignment as if they were still loose when locked into the forme for printing. If such was the case, other examples of such out of alignment overprints should exist. Inconstant printing of the overprint is mentioned in the informational text before the section listing the SPECIMEN overprinted Officials. There is one good reason not to suspect a faked overprint as the added overprint lowers the value considerably from the non-Specimen, regular, unused stamp version.
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Posted 11/27/2024   07:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
While I agree with PPG's logic I have never seen this overprint so misaligned and with different letter form. The "E" is a great example. It looks nothing like any of the other "E's". you find. If someone can show me a similar example I stand corrected.
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Posted 11/27/2024   08:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add m and m to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I with rodgcam.
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Posted 11/27/2024   10:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that there was really no reason to fake these, and they were pretty unpopular when issued and for some time after. I suspect loose lettering and a worn overprint is more likely to be the cause.
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Posted 11/27/2024   11:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lampy288 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Fake was my second guess lol, thank you very much!
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Posted 11/27/2024   11:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lampy288 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Only thing about fake is why would anyone try to pass it off looking clearly wrong and it is less valuable as a specimen. im not sure how stamps are printed but I was thinking it could be some sort of printing error
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Posted 11/27/2024   12:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lampy288 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If it is not fake and it is an error does it have any value?
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Posted 11/27/2024   12:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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If it is not fake and it is an error does it have any value?


Not beyond the basic normal Specimen version of the stamp, for some it may have a decrease in value.

To be clear in my post above, I did not claim it was or wasn't fake just that if fake, the faker decreased value, not increased it.

Just for fun, can you post the reverse side of both stamp you illustrate with the lighting coming from the side?
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Posted 11/27/2024   3:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In this old post from 2014, the subject stamp, an O10S with a wiping error? shows similar doubling across the overprint. I also show a crop of an O57S that looks doubled.

https://www.stampcommunity.org/topi...WIPING,ERROR




edit for spelling
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Edited by littleriverphil - 11/28/2024 11:47 am
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Posted 11/27/2024   4:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Phil - The letters in your examples are well formed and look like all of the other genuine specimen examples you find. They are also well-aligned.

The letters in the OP's stamp are badly misaligned and the middle leg of the first "E" is very poorly centered. This cannot be an original and ink is not the issue here.

I think that someone was trying to create a O57Sd with a cv of $3850.

You can look at multiples of O57S here and see that the letters are all well-formed and aligned.

https://siegelauctions.com/power-se...SortOrder=-1
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Posted 11/27/2024   6:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lampy288 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Everything except centering is right, almost like something got under the stamp while being overprinted. I uploaded the back of the stamps, lol just not sure where to
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Posted 11/27/2024   6:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lampy288 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Posted 11/27/2024   9:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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You can look at multiples of O57S here and see that the letters are all well-formed and aligned.


Not so if you examine the block with selvage. Position 1 is not fully printed as is the case on another position. The letters, especially the "I" wander vertically. This can bee seen with the enlarging feature once you bring up the image from the listing. Full disclosure, I did not bother to do the same with the larger block. The smaller made the point.
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