Rollers Of Rotterdam

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I am looking for information on the silent or wave rollers of Rotterdam in the 1970s.

I have found information about the 1912 drukwerkrolstempel.

I leave a photo so you can see what type of roller it is.

Thank you

What information are you looking for?
Who made them? How many were installed and for what period of use? Is there a list somewhere? Etc., etc.

If I am not mistaken, it is an ordinary machine cancellation (vlagstempel) and not a roller cancellation.

I agree, it looks like a machine cancel, which is rolled-on (by machine), rather than a hand-applied roller typical of parcels or other mail pieces not readily machineable.

The 1912 roller cancellation (drukwerkrolstempel) OP refers to were used on printed matter and are known used to pre-cancel such.



They have no relation to these common machine cancellations (vlagstempel) many countries use. In the 1930s, most rollers were discontinued. The original from 1912 for Rotterdam was no longer at the Rotterdam post office in 1936.

OP's example looks like it was applied by a Klüssendorf machine.

Hello good.
Ok, it's a vlagstempels.
The information you need is, what types were used in Rotterdam in the 1970s.

I'm preparing a new video and I don't want to get the information wrong.

Thank you.

Many. Many offices, a number of machines, different cancellers.

Interestingly, I did not see a Klüssendorf one for Rotterdam on the official cancellation cards. But the one above does not look like a Krag type. It does look like a Klüssendorf type. The other machines had a different date stamp part.

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How can I tell a Klüssendorf from a Krag?

I put images of the cancellers that I have found.

What I would need to know is if there are more different types of cancellers.

Thank you.

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I am going to use the nomenclature that I use, I don't know if there will be any official one.

I called the first "traditional dater"

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I have called the second "long rising wave"

The third "declining long wave"

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The next ones are "Roman short wave" and "Decimal short wave"

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It may be a matter of English translations, but I don't understand why you are apparently creating "cute" names for these.
I would arrange them in chronological order and let the image "do the talking", with the machine manufacturer identified.
I do not understand the difference between Roman Short Wave and Decimal Short Wave.

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Surely the translator will play tricks.

The difference between Roman and decimal is in the month. One the month is in Roman numeral and in another it is in decimal number.

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Ok, now I see the difference.
But .... your description is confusing by including features of both the wavy lines and the date elements in the cancel together.
It fails to communicate clearly.

The first, cancelling a 70 cent 'Regina' and 5 cent 'Crouwel' appears a 'Flier' type cancellation. 'Universal' has similar types of machine cancels. The two 55 cent 'Regina' cancels may be a 'Krag' type. The final two look like the 'Klüssendorf' type.

Before you start inventing 'cute' names based on a small sample you see, you might want to read up on the subject. Seeing 1912 roller cancels with lines and jumping to the conclusion that wavy lines in cancels used 60 years later must also be roller cancels does raise some questions about the exercise.

If you are serious about the subject, you might want to become a member of this society: https://po-en-po.nl/.

I shall give you the hint to have a look at this page: https://po-en-po.nl/stempels-krag-colombia/.

It is not my field of expertise but this is what suggested me which devices were used.
Also, keep in mind that Rotterdam, being the second-largest city of the Netherlands, had many offices. I do not know which had machine cancellation devices.

I expect the ones that just say "ROTTERDAM" were installed at the main post office on Coolsingel.