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Would Like Help With Understanding Variations Of Shade In Photogravure Printing

 
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Posted 10/06/2023   09:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add TNPhil to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
In a recent discussion in another part of the forum (http://goscf.com/t/85211) I asked about the differences of shading on Italy Scott #221. I would appreciate it if someone could explain how these differences occur when printing a lighter shade of the same color as the rest of the stamp, even to the extent that the lighter shading appears to be missing.

Thanks in advance for any responses.

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Posted 10/06/2023   09:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is a photogravure stamp that was in use for a very long time. Photogravure cylinders get replaced. Variation occurs when the new cylinders are etched. Variation in the intensity of the light used to create the cylinders will result in variation in the depth of the etching of the cylinder.
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Posted 10/06/2023   2:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TNPhil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
NSK - thanks, very clearly presented and makes sense. I had been thinking more of some anomaly in the inking and printing; production of the plates as the cause is simpler.
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Posted 10/06/2023   3:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Depending on the technology of the time when reprints were produced and the skill of the printer in matching colors, there can be quite a bit of difference in shades when individual stamps get reprinted. This is one of the cornerstones defining why collectors really enjoy collecting, for example, King George the Sixth era definitives.
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Posted 10/06/2023   3:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The term shade might cause confusion and lead some to think of a variation of color as opposed to a difference in the strength of impression (amount of ink deposited in various areas of a stamp).
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Posted 10/06/2023   5:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@shermae,

I agree that ink mixing caused many of the colour variations in British Commonwealth stamps. British Kinh Edward VII and George V stamps know many such variations as well. The stamps OP refers to, however, show a wide variety in the strength of the printing of coloured areas. That is unlikely to be the result of differencesin the ink mix. That would result in different colours of the coloured areas, not in different strengths of the coloured areas.

Also, in the thread to which OP refers, it was remarked that the more 'white' areas occurred mostly with early printings and the 'coloured' areas with the later printings.
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Posted 10/06/2023   6:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TNPhil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
shermae & rogdcam - my original post, found in the link cited above, had to do with a lack of a lighter shade of the one color of purple used, found in certain areas of the stamp where it was used as shading in those areas; not color variations between different stamps (multiple meanings of "shade" here). That's why I'm thinking that NSK's explanation fits better.
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Posted 10/06/2023   6:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TNPhil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
NSK posted while I was writing my reply, didn't mean to be redundant.
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There are quite a few shades listed in Stanley Gibbons for Harrison photogravure stamps from places like Seychelles and Virgin Islands. Is it possible these variations are explained by how the plates were prepared?
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Posted 10/06/2023   6:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I cannot say. 'Shades' as in variations in colours can have different causes. Deeper colours can be exactly that: deeper etching of the cylinder. It, however, can be due to a different ink mix. If you look at the Connoisseur Catalogue (available online), you will find 'shades' for stamps that have been printed from a single cylinder. But many Machin stamps have listed 'shades'. Even the fluors of the phosphor bars show wide variations that cannot be attributed to cylinders.
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