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Posted 03/22/2024   4:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chipshot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply



Posting an image here for information and review, I would appreciate comments that provide some additional information. TIA




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Posted 03/22/2024   5:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What type of additional information are you looking for?
- plating?
- shade?
- Is it a genuine usage?
- Who is the letter sent to?

Can you provide a scan of the inside of the folded letter? That may also help provide clues for some or all of these questions.
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Posted 03/22/2024   5:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NicholasC to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is addressed to the Clerk of Ulster County. I'm assuming this is Ulster county in NY.
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Posted 03/22/2024   6:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chipshot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes this is to the County Clerk of Ulster County, NY. Kingston, NY it is dated Sept 23 rd, 1848 and is asking if something was received by their office and for an acknowledgement of same. Would that it had survived in better condition.
I am posting the contents for what it is worth and in my opinion it is mundane court business,I am not sure of the writer's ID if someone might decipher the sending party's name. TIA
I do wonder about the line in the left lower 5 and if the top and bottom frame lines might have been recut?

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Posted 03/22/2024   7:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Chipshot for the clarification.
I was wondering about the black lines in the left and right 5's. As if it were part of a previous cancellation. My first thought was that this was a thinned or otherwise damaged stamp (from a different cover) being added to a damaged cover, to possibly get a few bucks out of two otherwise difficult-to-sell items. But seeing that there is foxing or a water stain tying the stamp at the right, if the stamp did originate elsewhere, it did not happen recently. It could just be a stray ink stain, the cover has seen a lot of abuse. I may have been reading too much into the Ashbrook Special Service columns recently and seeing things that aren't really there.
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Posted 03/22/2024   7:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The sender appears to be J(ohn) Watts de Peyster
See his Wiki page here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_...s_de_Peyster

Now, why not show us the entire address panel?
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Posted 03/22/2024   8:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chipshot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can put that up, however it only says Kingston, New York, and I didn't think it was of any value. When I cropped the item, I didn't worry about not showing the rest of it. I'll try and set it up for tomorrow. As you are showing this interest, my grandfather was the clerk of courts for Ulster county and I believe that's how it became in his collection and beyond that I have had it since I got it sometime in the late 60s. And I'm not even sure about that was given Many items and then I bought the remainder of the collection from the estate in 1982
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Posted 03/22/2024   9:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There should be a Tivoli, NY postmark.
(My point being, show *everything* when you ask about something.)
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Posted 03/22/2024   9:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chipshot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply



Thank you for the information already received.
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Posted 03/22/2024   9:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is there a "paid" or other marking underneath the stamp?
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Posted 03/23/2024   11:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chipshot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the entire back of the folded stamped letter. There are no other markings and I think it very unlikely anything is under the stamp.
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Posted 03/23/2024   2:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ICYMI, there are a few autographed letters from John Watts de Peyster found on WorthPoint. I am not a member to see what they sold for, if anything.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthope...r-1814770517
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthope...r-1815815515
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthope...k-1832201238
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthope...t-1816907502

A signed photograph and a couple more letters were estimated between $200-400,
https://www.icollector.com/John-Wat...er_i15665057
https://www.antipodean.com/pages/bo...ical-society

A mini-biography can be found at the Franklin & Marshall College where de Peyster was a donor, and the Watts-de Peyster Library there is named after his family.
https://library.fandm.edu/c.php?g=935247&p=6741276

A bronze bust of the Major General John Watts de Peyster is in the Smithsonian.
https://americanart.si.edu/artwork/...peyster-2125

My opinion isn't worth anything but I will throw out my theory that this was an unstamped letter, hand delivered, with a US #1 and fake manuscript cancel added some years later. The early de Peyster autograph might be the most valuable part of the cover and of interest to Civil War historians.
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Posted 03/24/2024   12:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chipshot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think that is a very interesting theory, and it certainly does add interest to the piece. I might consider taking the stamp up to see if in fact, there is something underneath it, and it might very well not hurt the value of the document. My theory is that it was Just in the files at the county clerks office, and when they decided to get rid of some of the old records, my grandfather was able to get the item. It will be interesting to see if anybody else wishes to add a comment about how it could've happened.
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Posted 04/03/2024   5:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chipshot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So I did remove my #1 from the Folded Letter and here are the results.




I scanned the back,




Here is the original document with no hidden postal markings. I would appreciate comments on the way the piece went through the mail system, The plating of the stamp and with that some direction as to what "color" this might be. Am I correct that if plated that indicates the color it should be? TIA




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Posted 04/03/2024   5:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add here_to_learn to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Years ago I was considering a #1 with a beautiful impression and vivid color but it had an inclusion, a pinhole, so did not get it. At the time, I did not know about the multiple printings with the first printing the finest. Looking back, that stamp must have been from the first printing. Fast forward years later… I never saw one as beautiful as that original stamp and I regretted not getting it. The one pictured below is my first #1 and alot more damage than the first one, that only had the inclusion. But it is still beautiful to me!

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