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Posted 04/03/2024   6:25 pm  Show Profile Check paperhistory's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paperhistory to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would not bet on that stamp originating on that cover. The presence of a rate marking is problematic on a cover where the stamp is not tied. What's the origin postmark?
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Posted 04/03/2024   8:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add here_to_learn to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I believe the CDS is a blue HARTFORD CT OCT 12 with the destination PROVIDENCE RI.
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Posted 04/04/2024   09:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The cover is in the USPCS 1847 cover census.
It is definitely Hartford, as, according to the census data:


Quote:
Letter datelined Hartford, Oct 11, 1847


https://www.uspcs.org/wp-admin/admi...&census_id=1

I do note a couple of other Hartford 1847 and 1848 covers, with the numeral 5 and also a pen cancelled stamp. It does appear as though Hartford was a bit slow on evolving their markings from the stampless period to stamped.

edit: the early impression stamp at least agrees with the 1847 dateline as well.
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Posted 04/05/2024   1:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Single 10c (2) stamp paying the single letter rate over 300 miles to the exchange office at the border, to Canada, from New York. Exchanged at Queenston, and marked 4 1/2 pence due to the addressee in St Catharines.

Red New York CDS and grid tie the stamp.

Ex Haas, Boker, Gross
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Posted 04/05/2024   2:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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It does appear as though Hartford was a bit slow on evolving their markings from the stampless period to stamped.


And the general public was slow to evolve from sending most mail unpaid to prepayment ... and to use stamps considering the limited distribution pattern of the 1847s.
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Posted 04/07/2024   10:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chipshot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Still lookig for some guidance on my #1 posted the other day in this thread. I appreciate the information about the postal history, but no one has given me much direction on the actual stamp.
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Posted 06/03/2024   08:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Oiman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's my Scott 1's and single Scott 2. Color estimates are my own opinion which can differ from reality.

This red brown Franklin with 3 borders has a red 5 cancel that I haven't decided yet which type it could be. I thought it could be NS-E 3 from Guilford,Connecticut, but the top curved part is not quite the same.


This grayish brown/blackish brown (so 1a I think) has a nice blue cancel with 7 stripes inside a circular border


This brown Franklin has a big black 5 cancel and an unidentified town cancel that leave it in a pretty covered state.


This is the only multiple stack of Franklins in the album, a 1 x 2 with multiple red circular cancels. I think it is either brown or dark brown in color.


This is a blackish brown example with a red cancel that might be an edge stamp with the wide margin on the right


This might be a brown orange (1d I think) example with two red circular cancels.


This is the one Scott 2. It has a very faint red cancel towards the middle right.
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Posted 08/30/2024   10:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice stuff; I missed it when you first posted it.

That is quite a collection that you have.
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Posted 08/30/2024   10:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


There are very very few fancy cancels on the 1847 issue.

This is one of the most well known fancys for this issue - the St Johnsbury "scarab" cancel.
There are two strikes of it on this stamp. Not the absolute best strikes, but the best I will likely ever own.

The date of this is Apr 17, 1849.
The 10c stamp pays the rate for carriage over 300 miles.
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Posted 08/30/2024   2:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful cover.

For comparison, here is a closer view of that cancel through postmark-reveal, and the Skinner-Eno tracing.



The closest thing to a fancy cancel for me is this scribble of a pen cancel.
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Posted 08/30/2024   3:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's a nice 4 margin #2.

Thanks for the reveal, and the tracing.
I was debating trying to figure out how to do that myself earlier, as its helpful for this.
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Posted 12/07/2024   5:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Oiman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wanted to repost my #1's and #2 since I got a nicer scanner and can show the details and color more accurately. I'm still surprised so many 1's were acquired, and it skews my viewpoint a bit when viewing other collections on what is considered more typical.







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Posted 02/18/2025   2:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's a nice holding of the US first issue.
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Posted 02/18/2025   2:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


This cover, franked with a single #1, is interesting, as the Richmond, VA CDS has an attached rate (5). This is left over from the stampless period, and was both confusing and unnecessary on stamped mail. As such, normally, Richmond would use this device and rotate the '5' such that it was off of the letter, and only the CDS would impart. That was the typical usage pattern for this device. This one, however, they got lazy.

McDaniel / Lee correspondence.

Oh, yes, and Happy Valentine's day - a few days late.
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Edited by txstamp - 02/18/2025 2:24 pm
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Posted 02/18/2025   11:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Laurie 02 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Oiman that is a nice lot of first issue stamps I'm so jealous!
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