1c 1851 Plate 1-Early Stamps

rg, first thing you can deduce is that this is not a top-row stamp. The Relief B guide dot (see lower right plume) is not found on any top-row positions on any plate. The dark dot at the upper right is not from printing ink. Plus, you can see a trace of the stamp above this one in the top margin.

Agree Dudley.... I just got excited when I saw guide dot in upper right, but obviously not T relief.

Agree with B relief.

I'm thinking that's not a guide dot upper right!

I have 4 or 5 positions narrowed to on plate 1E,

But not 100 percent it's not plate 2.

Doporto site actually quite weak in scans for plate 1E. I'm amazed how many scans are missing from plate 1E on his website. Are these stamps less common than we think?

I looked over your stamp RG. I compared it with my partially completed plate 1 early guide dot chart that I am working on. I think I found a match. I think that it is Pos 83R1E. Not many plating marks to look for there but I think that I found a plating mark that I have not seen mentioned. It matches on your copy and can see it on Doporto's copy. I am seeing a line out of place in the "S" of postage. Here are 3 pictures to compare, top left from Doporto's site, RG's top right, and bottom image is from Siegel sale of the Wagshal collection. If anyone else has this plate position, I am interested to know if this mark is there and constant.

Jaxom

I agree that 83R1E is strong candidate. I cannot find a stamp on plate 1E that matches guide dot lower right as well as this position. The cancel running between bottom right ornament/plume and guide dot was probably throwing off my orientation of the guide dot relative to the plume. Looks good now that I see it side by side. Thanks

I'll take a closer look at "S" mark tomorrow and if there is truly a mark there, I'll post a high quality scan of it in next few days

The only other copy of 83R1E that I could find was from the Vogel collection.
It seems to have the same mark. It looks to be slightly different on each copy.
I look forward to seeing your close-up.

Jaxom

my scan images are not up to par but there is definitely a line in the "S"

When I use my magnifier at home it does look very similar to other copies 83R1E that you demonstrated. Probably a consistent mark

First strip: 66-67-68R1E





Second strip: 23-24-25R1E




A little birdie deposited these in my email.
You may use them freely, as I don't think he's interested in being acknowledged.

Also, the guide dot of 24R1E can be found at Siegel sale 973 lot 30, a 25R1E single that shows the GD from 24R, but has a bit of cancel there.

I also had a 66R1E on this cover, but it only barely shows the GD, and probably isn't a good enough example for what you are doing.

http://goscf.com/t/53670&whichpage=6#468770

Tx, thank the little birdie for me and thank you for posting the pictures.
I finally got the chart completed.
If you find any errors, let me know and I will fix it right away.

Jaxom, can't thank you enough for putting the time and effort in the guide dot charts and sharing them with us. They have been very useful and it is people like yourself that make this a great forum for learning.

Here is where I am at with my left pane plate 1 early guide dots.
I still need 7 spots filled to complete.




ps: does anyone know of another large auction site besides Siegel that I could get permissions to acquire more photos?

I have hard time with Plate 1E. Thanks for making up the guide dot charts; I believe they will help myself & others with Plating. I'm happy I finally managed to find my first Type IIIa from Plate 1E. It's cut a little crazy, but I'm happy with the stamp. It's from Position 19R1E.

Very nice find.
They were careful cutting 3 sides, then the cut after the moonshine.
Nice stamp.

Thanks jaxom100! Not sure what happened; guess the person had trouble cutting horizontally! Guess it gives it some character! A welcome addition for $33.

I enjoy trying to collect the different Types from each Plate, along with a few varieties. Unfortunately there's a few from this Plate I'll probably never find.

Thanks again for your dedication & hard work with these Franklins; very much appreciated!

jaxom - Your 1L1E upper left guide dot scan is really 1R1E. If you look at the scan a bit, you'll see plenty of plating marks - 1R1E is easy to plate, and this is clearly 1R.

The 1c plating archive should be pretty reliable, but platings from other sources should always be verified. They are usually correct, but enough mistakes crop up, such that you should always verify them (if you can, of course).

For your 1L1L scan, also of the upper left guide dots, it looks like you used the Doporto scan of 1L1E instead. You can replace your current 1L1E (UL) scan with the scan you have at 1L1L (UL).

You can get the UL guide dots for 1L1L from Sigel sale 994, Lot 777.

Thanks for the work.