1c 1851 Plate 1-Early Stamps

This is my 91L1L, triple transfer, one inverted:

You have a very nice example of 91L1L, rogdcam. Your interests in philately are impressively broad - Russia, US Classics, you name it. I'm glad you're helping to keep these 1¢ Franklin threads going. Most of them started several years before I got into the game, and I'm happy there are still many members willing to contribute to them anew.

91L1L is identical to 91L1E except for the recut top frame line, and I'd like very much to acquire one of those, too. 91L1E is more rare, however, so I thought I was particularly fortunate to find one of those even with faults. I doubt that I'll ever completely plate any of the 1¢ Franklin plates, but I do think it's fun to collect as many of the unusual plate positions as possible.

Looks like an incorrect plating in Stamp Smarter DB.

I am looking to add some images to the Stamp Smarter database. But I always check the existing images while I'm there and I think this one is in the wrong spot. 28R1E should have a double guide dot. This should likely be removed or moved to its correct position.

Just to be clear, I'm hoping someone here can confirm this is incorrectly plated and if possible suggest the correct position. Thanks.

I haven't been doing much plating lately due to non-stamp time constraints, but let me suggest briefly that you look at 28L1E as a likely spot for this stamp. I only took a quick look, but this smells like yet another case of writing down the wrong pane.

The dot at LL of 29L1E seems like it may match but merits additional checking.

Good eye on noting the incorrect plating.

29L1E for reference:
http://www.slingshotvenus.com/Frank...os29L1E.html

I plated the stamp below to 75R1E based on the narrow left margin and the fact that 5th column is slightly higher than the 4th. In addition, the guide dot on the stamp above (just barely visible) matches that of 65R1E. There are also some diagonal scratches in the RLC which may be what Neinken was referring to in his drawing.

Neinken considered 75R1E to be one of the best Type IIIa examples on the plate. It produced clear breaks in the top frameline even in very early printings.

rlsny, It looks like you are correct about the position being incorrect, and txstamp is also correct that the position is 28L1E. I looked up the stamp on the Seigel website and it is an incorrectly plated strip of 3. That makes two other stamps in the database wrong. The middle position matches 29L1E as shown below. I will relocate all 3 stamps in the database.



PS: database has been updated on all 3 stamps.

I picked this up as a 91L early state. It has a 2021 PSAG Cert. Is the top line just "smeared" or is it late state?

Anyone like 41L for this one?

Stallzer,

I was the underbidder. Congratulations. If you look at the top left ornament, you will also see a vertical blur going up to the bottom left ornament of 81L1E. These blurs would seem to be an artifact of early printings, if you get a chance to look other examples.

Stallzer and daz24, nice item and thank you for bidding ;-) more 1 centers to come when I have time, I have decided to focus on 3 centers only

Thanks Daz24, good to know.

This is 97R1E, Ty II.

It is a bottom row A relief. Positions 96-100R1E are all A reliefs, misplaced, essentially. The standard method of entering these plates with the 3 relief roller T-A-B wound up typically going, from top to bottom: T-A-B, A-B, A-B, A-B, B. That makes 10 vertical entries. Note that a special setting had to be made to enter the bottom / 10th row. That was usually done with a B relief - the bottom relief on the Transfer roll. For these 5 positions, however, the A relief was used. Note that this is the first 1c plate, and they were literally trying to figure out how to make plates with this particular design. These 5 entries are evidence of that.

Because the A relief is the middle relief in the transfer roll, one often gets an "over-rocking" effect which shows part of the top of the B relief below it on the transfer roll. Position 97R1E by far shows the best example of this over-rocking, as you can easily see the top ornaments from a B relief below position 97R1E. It is also visible on 97R1L. 98R1E, and 99R1E also show this, but to a much lesser degree.

We have dubbed this phenomenon the "11th row effect".

On the subject of 11th row effect, position 100R2 is a bottom row A relief, and the link below - the pen cancelled copy, is the best example of 11th row effect I've ever seen on a copy of 100R2. 97R1E, above, is by far the best example of this phenomena on a 1c stamp. 3c stamps also exhibit this issue in certain positions.

http://goscf.com/t/58151&whichpage=13#736174

txstamp - Your posts prompted me to look again at my own bottom row stamps. Below is a 97-98R1E pair that allows a comparison of the visibility of the "11th row" is at both positions.