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I hate to be "that guy" who thinks its possible to find one of these (482A), but...I'd rather someone tell me I'm crazy. Pros: 1. Schermack 2. Flat Plate 3. Imperforate 4. Toga rope and button 5. Mouth 6. At least a type I 7. No visible watermark. Cons: 1. Color 2. Left side cut and anomalies on bottom left near "2". 3. I don't know anything. I've been revisiting this stamp every month or so, and I can't make a decision. Am I missing something obvious? Is the cancel period correct? Would I be wasting my money sending it out to be expertized? Is this just a really crisp 482?  Thanks.
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Scott #409. Doesn't have the characteristics of #482A. Single line watermarks are sometimes had to find/see. Could possibly be a sharper impression of a #482 (most are a bit weak), but its probably #409  |
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Makes perfect sense. I delved into a few 409s online and seen similarities, a more "definition" than a 482 and the color. I dont have many 409s but I do have an old schermack 409 cover that, without the cancel, I would have made the same mistake ignoring the color. This one is really heavy, and the same "d" in the cancel. The rope under the strike is well defined, probably due too more ink.  Thanks for the info, both of you. |
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The color looks more like a 409 than a 482. The color does not look like that of a 482A to me; it is hard to tell on a monitor, though. |
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A couple people have mentioned color being wrong. Would someone please clarify the correct color for a 482 vs 409(and does the 482A have the same color as the #500 Type IA?)? The W/F's all seem to have so many shades. |
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Lukusw, again with the caveat that images on computer monitors may not be totally representative of real color, the pic in the OP looks like plain old carmine to me. That means it could not be 482A, which is a very distinctive deep rose. That leaves the possibilies of 482 or 409, depending on watermark. The OP says it is unwatermarked which would make it a 482. But colorwise, to me it looks more like a 409, since many 482s are carmine rose. If it has no watermark, then my guess is wrong and it is a 482, not a 409. On your other question, yes, 482A and 500 are both listed as deep rose, and they are. The examples of 482A that I have seen (only a few) have an even deeper rose color when compared to a 500, however. |
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In an article in the August 1995 issue of The United States Specialist, Ken Lawrence states his research, verified by George Brett, shows that the Type 1a W/Fs come in the shades/colors of: Carmine, Deep Carmine, Carmine Red, Rose Carmine, Carmine Rose, Pale Rose, Rose and Deep Rose. I can not attest to the accuracy of his analysis, but mention it only to point out that the design characteristics of a Type 1a determines what it is, and to be cautious assuming they only come in Deep Rose (though probably it is the more dominate color). Clark has, I sure, examine many Type 1a stamps and can shed more light on their color/shade. There are also plenty of past posts explaining the design characteristics to help determining Type 1a. Now for the disclaimer: I and not a expert buy any means. Just passing on some added info.  |
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Scott 500 can be found in more than shade. a lighter shade exists but the color is more muted than some of the brighter shades seen on watermarked stamps like 409, 406, 425 or any of the flat plate coils. Most 500 examples are found in darker or deeper shades. Why the shade is called deep rose instead of dark carmine, I don't know. Since the organic dies used cannot readily identified using the XRF, everything seems to be subjective. However, it is possible to see whether shades are the same or different using a scanner. Somewhat like quantum physics, you can know that the colors are different, but not what they are.
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Clark, love the quantum physics reference :-) If an Uncertainty Principle applies to anything, it definitely applies to stamp shades. |
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