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Help With Switzerland Basel Dove Reprint/Forgery

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Posted 02/24/2024   4:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add canyoneer to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm certain this is a forgery or reprint but cannot find any online examples like this. It has a black outline around the dove and letter, Anyone familiar with this?
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Posted 02/24/2024   5:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 02/24/2024   6:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add canyoneer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's the site I checked ... nothing there with only outlined dove.
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Posted 02/24/2024   9:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add drkohler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Could be fake number 27 in this list:
https://www.vsphv.ch/falschungen/sa...astlertaube/
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Edited by drkohler - 02/24/2024 9:12 pm
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Posted 02/25/2024   11:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add canyoneer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Drkohler - yes, that does appear to be the only one that matches the "2 1/2" in the lower left. But the black outline of dove and letter still baffles me. I was hoping a Swiss expert would be browsing this post and provide the "yes, it is ...". Oh well, all mysteries are not meant to be solved.
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Posted 02/25/2024   11:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add drkohler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The problem is that for every "good" fake, there are dozens of fakes ranging from "very naive" to "simply bad". Fortunately the fakers likely got their image from a single source that forgot an important detail in the design, so 99.5% of all fakes are easily recognisable. There is only one "dangerous" fake known, from Sperati. It seems that every faker has tried to do his own Basel dove...
Jean Paul Bach has written "the" book" about the dove. You can try to contact him:
https://bach-philatelie.ch/
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Edited by drkohler - 02/25/2024 11:50 am
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Posted 02/27/2024   10:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrewM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can only afford reproductions (aka "fakes" or "counterfeits") of early Swiss stamps, but like you I've never seen an outlined dove-and-letter like that. This faker/copier must have not been completely sure the white space would end up looking like a dove with a letter, so he helped it along a bit. It's interesting, isn't it?

Unless, of course, it's an unknown and very rare Swiss printing variety of the Basel Dove and now you're a rich man.
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Edited by DrewM - 02/27/2024 10:29 pm
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Posted 01/28/2025   12:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TonyBrown to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have just published a Youtube video on how to identify forgeries of the Basel Dove (and a previous one on the Double Geneva). This is very detailed and, if you're thinking of buying one, should help you avoid making a very expensive mistake. I hope you'll find this of use.

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Posted 01/28/2025   1:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Excellent resource Tony. I wish there were more quality videos for many other issues that are always problematic.
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Posted 01/28/2025   3:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cery well done video. I would have liked to have examples shown for some of the forgeries, but otherwise it was great!
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Posted 01/28/2025   10:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think your stamp was made by a person who used one of the forgeries in my collection . Because it has the outline in black with the envelope outlined in black also . So yours is a nockoff from a previous made bogus copy.

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Posted 01/28/2025   10:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Posted 01/28/2025   11:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The only Basel Dove that I have where the bird and envelope is outlined in black ink .
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Posted 01/29/2025   01:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add drkohler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wish there were more quality videos for many other issues that are always problematic
The link in my post above has many examples, some with the outlined dove.

/edit bad link removed..
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Edited by drkohler - 01/29/2025 02:50 am
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Posted 01/29/2025   02:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add drkohler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The link in my first post works.. the other which I simply copied not (?)
So use the original one:
https://www.vsphv.ch/falschungen/sa...astlertaube/
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