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Posted 10/16/2008   9:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Then we better make reservations !!
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Posted 10/16/2008   11:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add djd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Phil And Jopie
That Would Be Wonderful If We Could Meet Up In Ottawa.
I Am Working On It
DJD
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Posted 10/16/2008   11:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ziggy9 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's my first block of four that I got at last night's club meeting



Richard
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Posted 10/17/2008   5:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gussyboy1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cool precancelled block!
Thanks for posting!

Gussyboy1
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Posted 12/24/2008   02:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jan-Simon to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is there anyone here who collects Belgian precancels? I am and if I have some time (yeah sure) I could make a few scans of what I have.
Right now I am looking for a listing or a catalogue for these stamps. It used to be in the older OBP (Official Belgian Stampcatalogue in French or Dutch), but they removed that and I only found out about that when I gave away my old copy and replaced it for a newer one...
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Posted 03/15/2010   6:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florida to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do enjoy precancels too. What would be the best catalogues for them (including bureau, local, town and type)? I've come across interesting ones and would love to know what the values are for them.
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Posted 03/15/2010   8:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Netherlands: Precancel (Roller)

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Posted 03/20/2010   5:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampaddict to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is one of my precancels, I don't collect then as a specialty, but I have quite a few.

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Posted 03/20/2010   5:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampaddict to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is another one, If I could figure out how to post more than one at a time I would post several.
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Posted 03/20/2010   6:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperdude to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That Philly precancel is very nice. I think it is called an electro cancel because of the double lines. Thanks for sharing.
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Posted 03/20/2010   6:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add quigngt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi florida, welcome to the forum. Does your user name reflect where you live?

I bought a cd with Bureau Precancels catalog a few years ago. Very extensive and reasonably priced. There is a cd for Local Precancels as well. Go to: www.precancels.com and click on the "Literature" tab to see what is available.
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Posted 03/20/2010   10:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampaddict to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
another one.

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Posted 04/01/2010   7:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add abohart to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I typed this in earlier, but I think the site crashed or something, because I lost it when I hit submit and then the site wouldn't come up for me.

Anyway, on the double line precancels... they are known as DLE's which is short for double line electrotypes and named after the type of device by which the precancel was made. It's a very popular branch of US precancel collecting, and if I recall correctly, there is a catalog available just for this type of precancel.

The bureau gap precancels... I remember reading somewhere that they should be collected in pairs or larger multiples in order to show the complete gap across stamps. Also, it is possible to have a strip with a PNC and a gap in the same strip, which I guess would be kind of the holy grail for this kind of collection. :)

Hope some of this helps...
-Allen
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Posted 04/02/2010   12:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ryan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Anyway, on the double line precancels... they are known as DLE's which is short for double line electrotypes and named after the type of device by which the precancel was made. It's a very popular branch of US precancel collecting, and if I recall correctly, there is a catalog available just for this type of precancel.

Yes, there is a Precancel Stamp Society catalogue for DLEs. It lists the value for each different stamp showing a particular precancel style, which makes it rare among Town & Type precancels. The catalogue for Bureau precancels (stamps precanceled at the Bureau of Engraving & Printing in Washington, DC) also lists each combination of stamp design and precancel type, but that's not the case for stamps precancelled locally (except for DLEs and a few other specialized types).

Stamps precancelled locally are known as Town & Type precancels, and DLEs fall under that category. The Town & Type precancel catalogue lists only the combination of town name and precancel style - it doesn't attempt to list every different design of stamp showing each style of precancel. Good thing, as that would be a massive number. It's estimated that there are perhaps as many as 2,000,000 different Town & Type precancels when you look at all the different town name / precancel style / stamp design combinations. (Under 9500 different Bureau precancel stamps, though.)

The precancelling device for DLEs (something known as an electroplate that precancels 100 stamps at a time) is furnished by the US Post Office Department, which makes them kind of like Bureaus. But the stamps are not precancelled by the Bureau in Washington, DC - the electroplates are delivered to the individual towns and the stamps are precancelled locally, which is what ultimately classifies them as Town & Type precancels. They're kind of limited in scope because of that, as only 127 different towns were provided with these DLE plates, over a period of only 3 years. In total, it adds up to just under 12000 different stamps, when the inverts / double prints / other errors are included.

As to the Philadelphia precancel example posted earlier, that one isn't a DLE. It's listed in the Town & Type catalogue as precancel style L-1 E Var 2. The "E" means that the precancelling device is an electroplate, and it does obviously have two lines above & below the town name, but the "L" means the town got that device locally instead of through the US Post Office Department. Further, the number "1" means it was first of these local devices obtained post 1913, which is when the option of locally obtaining precancel devices was authorized by the US Postal Service (albeit a variant of the initial design, thus the "Var 2").

Way back at the start of this thread, the address for the Precancel Stamp Society was posted. It's definitely worth checking out for those interested in precancels.

http://www.precancels.com/index.html

Precancels can be both endlessly entertaining and endlessly frustrating. Sometimes they're worse than Indian states for trying to figure out exactly what it is that you have sitting in front of you!

Ryan
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Posted 04/02/2010   4:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nuggethill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Ryan that was very informative,I have both Bureau and T&T books but lack the time to make a study on the thousands of precancels I need to address in my collection,I keep saying to myself that one day I'll get around to it and then I add yes one day.


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