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Identifying postal markings from WWII German Stalags  
 

 
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Posted 12/31/2016   12:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Namor5 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message
Hello. Asking this group for their expertise. Note the rectangular stamp saying " 44 Geprüft Stalag VIJ" and the turbaned head. As I google Stalag VIJ, I see many similar POW postcards with different number and different images, but all with a similar stamping.
Can anyone shed some light on this?
Thanks all Namor

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Posted 12/31/2016   7:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add YeaPolska to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Gepruft" means "Censored", so this is a censor stamp & the number & image would identify which censor read the card. Each censor would have their own hand-stamp.
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Posted 01/01/2017   01:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Personally, I'm looking forward to hearing from someone who can explain, or identify the head with turban which appears within this censor marking. Never seen anything like this one before.
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Posted 01/01/2017   05:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I am with bkbndrbob, that is curious.

Also, that postcard piece, shows evidence of a "deckled edge"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deckle

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Posted 01/01/2017   10:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

VI is the military region (MÜNSTER)

J is the main camp designation 1941 (KREFELD) moved to DORSTEN in sept 1944 (sub camps will have a Z after the camp designation)

Population mainly: Belgians, Russians, Polish, Serbians and Italians.

17500 P.O.W. in January 1945

For the indian Head, would have think about the language written on the card (Censor was qualified for that language) but if somebody can ident the language??

If you have more of the card shown if not a mutilated card.



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Posted 01/01/2017   12:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Johan Buvelot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I believe YeaPolska is right. A way to identify who censored the card. There are other images. I have seen the head of a roman centurion, a painters palet a chess piece(horse) a beetle and a cow. Kind regards, Johan.
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Posted 01/01/2017   12:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A list of German POW camps..

http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/laglist.html

Scroll down to VI J

Regarding the "motif" of an Indian Head... it is known that this POW camp censors had various insects/animals etc to differentiate.
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Posted 01/01/2017   4:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks scotzm. Nice link.
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Posted 01/11/2017   10:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Namor5 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone, making sense now. When I first google translated "Gepruft" it translated into "checked". I initially thought the photo (on backside) was cut out of a postcard hence the deckled edge. Now I can understand that these photos were sent to my Dad (Polish POW) in the Stalags, probably in a letter and the contents were checked and stamped.
Now I see that over his 6 years as POW, the pics with stamps from 1939-40 were well worn (Stalag XXA) and the later ones were more readable (Stalag VI J). To conclude, I added another stamp from Stalag VI J with a Swan icon. Thanks again Roman Frackiewicz


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Posted 01/11/2017   2:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Roman,

Now you have everything to write a wonderful story and honoring your dad.

Best regards

Sylvain
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