Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Stamp Community Forum
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some stamps?
Our stamp forum is completely free! Register Now!

Postage Due Rate Of $1.15--Why So High  
 

 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
Pillar Of The Community

United States
543 Posts
Posted 12/29/2016   06:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add fincbob2451 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message
Hello, I have a question about this cover. Underneath the stamps it seems to read no postage necessary if mailed within the United States. If that is the case then why $1.15 postage due?
Thank you in advance for your help.


Send note to Staff

Bedrock Of The Community
Learn More...
Australia
18683 Posts
Posted 12/29/2016   06:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Practising...
Guess.
Business proprietor pays for every piece of mail, returned from potential customers,
as stated on the cover.
The Post Office keeps a tally of mail thus received, at the point of this cover, the tally had reached $1.15, and was paid by postage dues.

The business proprietor's account has been balanced.

further guesses.
The Postmaster has jotted receiving mail 28 x 4c and 1 x 3c = $1.15
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by rod222 - 12/29/2016 06:46 am
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
2904 Posts
Posted 12/29/2016   06:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rod222 is correct that you are looking at the tip of the iceberg.

Typically, the day's worth of Business Reply Mail was banded or trayed, and only the top piece bore the postage due for the whole batch.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
543 Posts
Posted 12/29/2016   06:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fincbob2451 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Rod222 and Ikey Pikey for the quick respons. This was very informative and I appreciate it.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Bedrock Of The Community
Learn More...
Australia
18683 Posts
Posted 12/29/2016   07:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for confirming my guesses.
I wasn't aware it was tallied daily.

Here is Form 3582a in a Postage Due "Bill"
this may have been for larger businesses? tallied perhaps monthly?
This bill $2.82
(Image not mine)


Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by rod222 - 12/29/2016 07:15 am
Moderator
Learn More...
3135 Posts
Posted 12/29/2016   08:20 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In the infamous 1971 Abbie Hoffman book "Steal This Book' he suggested that people tape bricks to junk mail return envelope/cards to cost the sending firm money. I assume that he was not the first person to think of this; is it possible that someone intentionally attached something to the return envelope that pushed the return past the First Class Mail rate?
Don
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
901 Posts
Posted 12/29/2016   08:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To reiterate and repeat a bit, this is simply a "top of the pile" piece which accounted for the rest of the stack.

The business reply mail costs nothing to the sender, but the recipient promises to pay the postage AND a fee through their permit. As you see in the upper left corner "Postage will be paid by the addressee". In 1937 the letter rate was 3 cents and the BRM fee was 1 cent per letter, thus the 4 cents total on each of 28 pieces.

The frequency of accounting would vary. I worked for a company in the 1990s which received its due mail weekly at a rate of about %50.00 each week. I cannot imagine it being any less frequent due to delaying mail, etc. And companies with a large mail volume would do this daily. This is also why there are large quantities (and large multiples) of high value canceled postage due stamps with full gum.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
2160 Posts
Posted 12/29/2016   10:54 am  Show Profile Check Battlestamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Battlestamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have a similar cover that served the same purpose except they must not have had any postage due stamps on hand.

Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
122 Posts
Posted 12/29/2016   12:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mml1942 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For another thread on this topic with a high dollar example, see...

http://goscf.com/t/44866

Mike
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
5821 Posts
Posted 12/29/2016   3:51 pm  Show Profile Check smauggie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Of course, later on they started using meters for postage due.

The image below is of a very unusual usage of a meter for postage due. Someone made the business reply mail person pay for a meter, then stuck it on a piece of paper and then wrote "Postage Due" over it.

Not sure that's in the postal regulations. ;)



There are meter impressions that do include the words "Postage Due" and were created for that use.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page


APS Member #: 222539 AAPE, Maplewood Stamp Club (MN), Northern Philatelic Society, US Philatelic Classics Society, Auxiliary Markings Club, Canal Zone Study Group, Minnesota Postal History Society
Pillar Of The Community
901 Posts
Posted 12/29/2016   4:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The thread linked two posts above shows a full sheet of the $5, J101.

As a sister piece, here is a full sheet of the $5, J78 on a 1937 "postage due bill follow sheet. Wonder what was on the other sheets?

Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
2904 Posts
Posted 12/29/2016   6:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
First class mail must 'move' every day.

Allowing Business Reply Mail to pile-up for any number of days would violate this principle.

Moreover, if memory serves (NOT VERY LIKELY, BUT) BRM customers maintained a deposit account with a positive cash balance at the post office. Any *day* that there was BRM mail to process, the clerks would tally the postage due, deduct that amount from the customer's account, and toss the mail at either a) their regular carrier (for route delivery later that day), or b) the post office box clerk (were the mail so addressed).

While local informal arrangements might differ, you should expect every BRM piece bearing postage due to be that day's worth of first class mail to that recipient, with the possible exception of those "whole sheet" bonanzas.

Now, what means "local informal arrangements might differ"?

When my city-bred brother (z"l) first lived in a small town in New England, and the snow came & shut the roads down for days at a time, he was both delighted & horrified when the local postmistress (owner of the general store, operator of a postal counter) called & told him what mail had arrived ... and offered to open & read it. He was too charmed, and too taken aback, to say 'no', so she told him the amount of his electric bill, the amount of his Sunoco credit card bill, and that his mother wanted to know ...

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

Edited to add:

When the postage due stamps (or meter imprint) is applied to a single piece of BRM mail, you can safely ass-u-me that the BRM mail was banded, with this piece on top.

When the postage due stamps (or meter imprint) is applied to a an accounting sheet, you can safely ass-u-me that the BRM mail was delivered in a tray or, later, one of those ubiquitous whie plastic bins ... with the accounting sheet on top.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by ikeyPikey - 12/29/2016 6:45 pm
  Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
United States Postal Service, Now on eBay!United States Postal Service, Now on eBay!
New Forum Topics Recently Active Forum Topics
  Imperforate 4d Kangaroo?
  Cut Square Stamp identification
  Looks like eBay is broken now?
  Canada Odd Unlisted Precancels - possibly Errors
  Canada Empress of Ireland press sheet
  Help with IDing watermark on cut square
  A perfectly placed ink void
  Lovely Q3 parcel post on first flight cover
  Scott 89xx-2 precancel
  Trying to identify stamp Scott 441 versus 448
  Can't find in German Catalogue Type 61?
  R15c double transfer pages from COMPEX
  Estate Stamp Collection ???
  Is this a Stamp? Possibly Russian?
  Minor issue with an eBay lot description
  Lousy stamps' supplier, need a new one. Please advice
  Anyone have an illustration of the Relief/Transfer Roller of 1851 3c
  RJA21 versus RJA41 overprints
  Identifying stamps without any identifiers
  Swiss 1850 Poste Locale 2 1/2 Rp. Forgery?
  12 Stanley Steamer (Scott 2132) Type I and II differences
  Russian empire 1r with watermark
  Look at this one, how come no one other than me bid on it ?
  A facsimile of a facsimile?
  Scott 2115 tagging alternatives

  College stamps (Keble Oxford)
  Lundy Stamps
  Imperforate 4d Kangaroo?
  Early US covers up to 1930
  Regency Stamp Auctions in St. Louis
  APRL - Used for the First Time
  12 Stanley Steamer (Scott 2132) Type I and II differences
  German and Austrian perfins
  Cut Square Stamp identification
  Looks like eBay is broken now?
  Disney Stamps
  Trying to identify stamp Scott 441 versus 448
  Cut squares, general identification help
  Canada Odd Unlisted Precancels - possibly Errors
  Great Britain : Postmarks.
  For you Tuvalu collectors.
  Jaipur and Rabat - stationery envelopes
  Modern Industrial Art and Design
  Canada small queen help.
  Mining stamps
  The Stamps of Portugal.
  Help with IDing watermark on cut square
  Estate Stamp Collection ???
  Scott numbers are hard to find.
  Canada Empress of Ireland press sheet

Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2017 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2014 Stamp Community Forums Go To Top Of Page
It took 0.77 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05