Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Stamp Community Forum
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some stamps?
Our stamp forum is completely free! Register Now!

another clueless ebay seller who mis-identified and lived to profit  
 

 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
Pillar Of The Community

United States
1940 Posts
Posted 10/19/2016   4:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message
This one sold for 153 $ and was worth it. I am sure the seller was pleasantly surprised. If the seller had done a buy-it-now for full Scotts he would have left 150$ on the table.

Send note to Staff

Valued Member
Learn More...
Canada
374 Posts
Posted 10/19/2016   5:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Do you mean he paid US$150 over the Scott price ??????? Thanks
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1940 Posts
Posted 10/19/2016   5:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, this is a rare precancel, and never reported on this denomination before.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
230 Posts
Posted 10/20/2016   10:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 91stang to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ouch! Had to hurt-but hey when you say 'never seen before' or 'rarely seen' they seem to come running as fast as they can. The seller must be very happy---
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Learn More...
United States
169 Posts
Posted 10/20/2016   10:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dkabq8 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And a clueless eBay buyer -- caveat emptor.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Learn More...
United States
169 Posts
Posted 10/20/2016   10:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dkabq8 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And another clueless eBay buyer -- caveat emptor.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
408 Posts
Posted 10/25/2016   03:42 am  Show Profile Check kcaramat's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add kcaramat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The last posters missed the point here. This was valuable stamp and the seller had no idea. Knowledgeable bidders bailed him out from making a big mistake.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Moderator
Learn More...
2946 Posts
Posted 10/25/2016   03:47 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I concur, if the stamp is legitimate someone got a nice stamp at a good price.
Don
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
Canada
5370 Posts
Posted 10/25/2016   09:03 am  Show Profile Check BeeSee's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I know very little about US precancels, but this stamp looks suspiciously like a modern ink-jet overprint.


Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page


BeeSee in BC
"The Postmark is Mightier than the Stamp"
http://brcstamps.com ---- BNAPS, RPSC, APS
Pillar Of The Community
United States
849 Posts
Posted 10/25/2016   10:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjpalermo1964 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Or the kind of preinked stamp you can order online from Vistaprint for $8.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
1436 Posts
Posted 10/25/2016   11:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jenny2U to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
chasa, who is probably THE precancel expert, saw no problem with the stamp.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
30 Posts
Posted 10/25/2016   3:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jackblack1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is there an "official" list of denominations used with precancels, or is this a checklist type item?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
408 Posts
Posted 10/26/2016   03:15 am  Show Profile Check kcaramat's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add kcaramat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This would be the place to start:

http://www.precancels.com/


Legitimate is the key word here. Does legitimate mean it was produced in quantity and actually used commercially in the mails ? Or does legitimate mean the precancel was actually made by the same stamp that was used on other "legitimate" more common denominations ? I believe some of these are referred to as "favor" precancels.

Same scenario exists in the Vending & Affixing machine stamps. A good percentage of those listed in the Scott catalog are marked as "request" items. They were actually perforated by the various Vending machine companies, but were never intended to be used commercially in their machines. They were made to supply the philatelic market.

If that's not confusing enough, then throw on top of that 100 years of outright fabrications meant to deceive collectors.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by kcaramat - 10/26/2016 03:29 am
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1940 Posts
Posted 10/26/2016   08:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The US Precancel Stamp Society [PSS] publishes reference books on precancels. One of the recent ones is the Catalog of Classic Precancels. It comes in 3 parts, Part I [2011] is pre-1908, Part IIa [2014] is 1908-21 states A-M, Part IIb [2015] is states N-W. For this era they have listings with evaluations for every denomination known. A lot of research has gone into these listings. This is the first nationwide listing of these since the Hoover catalog of 1940. Precancels listed can be considered 'legitimate'. Denominations of the underlying stamps are individually priced and the pricing is considered fair retail by most. This cancel is only listed on the 1c, 5c, and 6c of 1908, so the 4c is a new find, unknown since the Cubs last won the world series. The 1c and 6c are listed at $175, the 5c is listed, unpriced which means we think they exist but none were vetted when producing this catalog.
Of course this could be an Vistaprint job, but the scan has been shown around the hobby and everybody thinks it is genuine.
Precancels are fun and occasionally profitable.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
  Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
United States Postal Service, Now on eBay!United States Postal Service, Now on eBay!
New Forum Topics Recently Active Forum Topics
  Cape of Good Hope : Revenues.
  Buying USA Discount Postage Stamps
  Need help identifying these stamps
  200 Reís Brazilian stamp. Any info on this?
  Medallion One Cent Blue?
  Calling any platers of 1857 10 cent type V #35
  Rocky Mountain Stamp Show ROMPEX
  Plate Block Album and Mounting Suggestions
  Unknown #483 Plate Number ?
  Mexico Official stamp?
  Lots of old fakes and forgeries out there.
  Free British Stamp Exhibitions Catalogue
  British Stamp Exhibitions Catalogue
  china 1941-1945 airpost
  3 Latvia 1909 Postcards--Same Model, Same Props, Different Poses
  Panama first day cover scott 258 from Czerna C. Lafler collection
  Washington 2 Cent What stamp should I look for ؟
  Help! Russian Wrapper, what sender destination?
  How many proofs are in circulation..?
  Need help with Romania charity stamp.
  Amelia Earhart Overprint Mexican stamp
  Is This Newspaper Stamp PR22, 69, or 88
  Stamp Insider for March–April 2017
  strange half Danish stamp on German postcard
  Some oddities from my album

  Buying USA Discount Postage Stamps
  Help! Russian Wrapper, what sender destination?
  Need help identifying these stamps
  Cape of Good Hope : Revenues.
  BRIDGES,BRIDGES,BRIDGES! on stamps
  Calling any platers of 1857 10 cent type V #35
  200 Reís Brazilian stamp. Any info on this?
  where to buy? auction or a stamps store?
  5c Columbian Double Transfer?
  telephone stamps list
  APS Survey Report Posted
  Mystic Page Modifications
  Panama first day cover scott 258 from Czerna C. Lafler collection
  Identify bluish paper "on the fly"
  Medallion One Cent Blue?
  Lots of old fakes and forgeries out there.
  How many pages to you print
  SC#367 Lincoln thread on back
  Unknown #483 Plate Number ?
  Amusement Parks & Bath Houses
  In Flight Experiences and Airport Experiences
  British Stamp Exhibitions Catalogue
  strange half Danish stamp on German postcard
  Plate Block Album and Mounting Suggestions
  Cover Calendar for month and day -PICS

Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2017 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2014 Stamp Community Forums Go To Top Of Page
It took 0.58 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05