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Posted 01/10/2017   09:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message
Hi guys..Got in my possession 9 rare (not in Unitrade yet) O.H.M.S. stamps..These stamp are double perforations..Below is one such rarity...It is a pair of Scott 0269 stamps.

Robert



If anyone is interested, I have
0233
0254
0250
0231
0269 (a single)
0232
0250
0255

These double perfs stamps to me are NOT common..I can attach any one of these rarities if you like to look at...Also have their positions.
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Posted 01/10/2017   09:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Are you sure they are real? I recall hearing about a forger in Vancouver who was cranking these out and selling them on eBay around 2014.
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Posted 01/10/2017   09:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ya Don..I got them from a very reputable collector (member of BNAPS, City Montreal stamps, etc.) who purchased them from a well known dealer from I believe Saskatoon..Both these collectors have had them in their hands and finally to mine...Might get more info and pictures to approach Unitrade to get what they think...They are for real and excited to have them in my collection.

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Posted 01/10/2017   09:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found what I recalled, it was this passage on Ken Pugh's site..

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" In 1981, I assisted the R.C.M.P. in examining over a million dollars worth of O.H.M.S. perfins. These fake perfins were in the hands of three Vancouver stamp dealers as well as the author of the Perforated Initials catalogues, Roy Wrigley. After the dust of the trial has settled, there was a tendency to label every O.H.M.S. perfin on the market a fake if it did not conform to a rigorous and arbitrary criteria. Some dealers and advanced collectors wisely obtained a 4-hole and 5-hole perfin that had been certified as genuine. There were two types of 4-hole perfins, so the average reference of genuine perfins contained three genuine control samples. Any perfin that deviated from the alignment of the ‘control' group were declared as fakes."

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Posted 01/10/2017   09:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow don...is a matter of fact, ALL the write ups attached to these stamps have the name Wrigley on them..WoW..Guess a have a bunch of fakes on my hands (maybe)..Hey, how many people have these then.

Here s one of the 9 write up on cards I have..rare or fake..?


Robert


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Posted 01/10/2017   09:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robert,
If the original perforator(s) is still in existence the act of 'making' these would be very tempting for anyone who might be somewhat less than totally ethical. I think the fakes might be distinguished by the straightness of some of the letters (note the 'H') but perhaps others who are more knowledgeable in them will weight in.

Have you compared the pefin hole alignments to others in your collection?
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Posted 01/10/2017   09:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Don
I just sent an example to a gentleman named Jim ( BNAPS )who is associated with perfins...Hopefully he can give me incite to whether or not they are fakes or the real deal.

Robert
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Posted 01/10/2017   10:02 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robert

I think the reference to Wrigley on the slip with your GVI stamp is to his catalogue, not his sales. Hope they're genuine!

Geoff
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Posted 01/10/2017   11:29 am  Show Profile Check BeeSee's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would be very wary of anything from City Montreal. Despite my repeated attempts at getting this re-perforated Vancouver Island stamp described correctly, it has appeared again on eBay.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/361561872823?rmvSB=true

I first pointed out this stamp here:

http://www.stampcommunity.org/topic...=42706#42706
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Posted 01/10/2017   11:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BeeSee...did not say Montreal stamps was good or not..Just that my friend is part of the knowledge base..

Perfins are different from your stamp

Robert
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Posted 01/10/2017   11:44 am  Show Profile Check BeeSee's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robert, you said this:


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I got them from a very reputable collector (member of BNAPS, City Montreal stamps, etc.)



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Perfins are different from your stamp


So that means a seller of fake perfins would not sell fake Vancouver Island perforations?
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Posted 01/10/2017   11:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BeeSee..I got them from a private reputable collector whos credentials are well know...Thats all I ws trying to say..If I told you his name..you probably would say sorry...I take that back...haha

But we are getting off course..I will let BNAPS reply to see what they think.

Robert
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Posted 01/10/2017   11:52 am  Show Profile Check BeeSee's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't doubt your word on who you got them from; I am commenting ONLY on City Stamp Montreal, which you mentioned in the same phrase.
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oh..just that he was one of a handful of outside expertise..thats al.

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Posted 01/10/2017   1:55 pm  Show Profile Check gportch's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gportch to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wert, I would not be too quick in condemning these stamps. Double strikes are known to exist and are legitimate. At the Greene Foundation we are pleased to have the original OHMS research file assembled by Jon Johnson & Gary Tomasson (the authors of the PERFIN HANDBOOK found on the BNAPS website) for the BNAPS Perfin Study Group.. Next time you visit the Greene Foundation (phone to let me know you are coming) you should bring these stamps and we can compare them with the original die proofs. You may very well get a pleasant surprise.
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Hi All

In the past, I have had several of the Wrigley's Catalogue of Canadian perfin official stamps. Here is a scan of the cover of oneI still have in my library.

Chimo

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