Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Stamp Community Forum
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some stamps?
Our stamp forum is completely free! Register Now!

Firsts Stamps of Paraguay  
 

 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
Valued Member

7 Posts
Posted 01/08/2017   7:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add fdsousa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message
I have old stamps from Paraguay that I guess are bogus (i´ve read on scot catalogue), my curiosity is to know if they are a product of Boston Gang ( Samuel Allan Taylor Stamps) or from Hamburg Gang (Philip Spiro Stamps).





Send note to Staff
Edited by fdsousa - 01/08/2017 7:31 pm

Valued Member
France, Metropolitan
120 Posts
Posted 01/09/2017   10:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These stamps are trial printings.More info check out "Philatelicdatabase.com"under paraguay; it goes into it more deeply.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
7 Posts
Posted 01/09/2017   2:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fdsousa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Couldn't find anything can you send me a link?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
France, Metropolitan
120 Posts
Posted 01/09/2017   2:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
www.philatelicdatabase.com/ just saw it
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
1236 Posts
Posted 01/09/2017   2:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
7 Posts
Posted 01/09/2017   11:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fdsousa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
i read the website page. It could be stupid question but since I am new in this area, I dont know what you mean when you say that is a trial stamp?

More information about the stamps:
This stamps are from a collector that born in germany in XIX (1860) century, he then came to portugal runing away from 2 world war. He died with more than 80 years old in Portugal. I got acess to his collection throw his granddaughter and I assure that his collecton wasn´t touched after he died, so it means that this stamps have at least 100 years old if not more.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by fdsousa - 01/10/2017 12:04 am
Pillar Of The Community
United States
6391 Posts
Posted 01/10/2017   12:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
All 3 stamps shown are Spiro forgeries. The ship stamp is a Spiro forgery of the Allan Taylor bogus issue. The lion stamps are Spiro forgeries of the 1860s essay.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
1236 Posts
Posted 01/10/2017   12:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
7 Posts
Posted 01/10/2017   12:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fdsousa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks :) for the information. Two of the stamps have a type of overprint that shows they were canceled by some regulator, which mean they tried to be used oficially at the time, I read about Philip Spiro and his stamps (Hamburg Gang), and it matches with some caractheristcs. Are they rare/common how valuable can they be?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by fdsousa - 01/10/2017 12:38 am
Pillar Of The Community
United States
6391 Posts
Posted 01/10/2017   01:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On the ship forgery, the 6 lines in 4 rings cancel is a typical Spiro forged cancel for that stamp. In your particular example, you can only see the 4-ring part of the cancel.

I've only seen forged dot cancels on the Zechmeyer forgeries of the lion stamp. I have not seen it on the Spiro forgeries, but I haven't seen a comprehensive presentation of all the different Spiro lion forgeries. Forged dot cancels were made by Spiro on some of his forged stamps, but the ones I've seen usually consist of slightly larger dots.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by khj - 01/10/2017 01:09 am
Valued Member
France, Metropolitan
120 Posts
Posted 01/10/2017   06:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
7 Posts
Posted 01/10/2017   06:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fdsousa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
those stamps perf12 have different design compare the stars/lamp and lion they look completley diferrent.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
France, Metropolitan
120 Posts
Posted 01/10/2017   07:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What kind of forgeries are these ?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
  Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
United States Postal Service, Now on eBay!United States Postal Service, Now on eBay!
New Forum Topics Recently Active Forum Topics
  Having trouble with Czechoslovakia stamp
  Holiday Windows perf errors
  New Edition of Michel Zeppelin Catalog Coming Soon
  Canada C-1 sheets of 50
  Norway 1932 Scott #154-157 2 sets, mh and used
  Sudden Appearance of POP-UP AD
  I fined that lot what do you think it is possible
  Has the APS started to accept Paypal yet?
  Come to Wiscopex '17!
  Come to Baypex Green Bay '17!
  Come to Stampfest '17!
  Canada C-1, any one know of sheets of 50 that have ever been available?
  1938 Jamaca Scott 116b Watermark Sideways cv $9000 does anybody know?
  Difficulty Purchasing the USA Star coils
  Cancel to order - why are they worth so little
  Don't know which choices to make
  When does the hobby become a business?
  Help me identify (2) mystery Mexico Stamps?
  Does anyone know what this 3 cent stamp is from 1909 ?
  What kind of features do you expect from digital (philatelic) publications?
  Principality of Trinidad stamps -Principauté de Trinidad
  Scott numbering system
  Another Ebay auction that is too good to believe
  Is this a improperly perforated South Australia one penny
  Latvia 1919 official 10 KON dark blue color shift.

  Having trouble with Czechoslovakia stamp
  Whats in your Library?
  The Stamps of Turkey : On Steiner Pages.
  perf punch on back of stamp
  Collecting by Engraver
  New sub-forum for the 'I Inherited some stamps' posts
  New Edition of Michel Zeppelin Catalog Coming Soon
  Denmark Scott 597 & 598 , printed photogravure or offset ?
  What kind of features do you expect from digital (philatelic) publications?
  Black and White Stamps
  North and South Korean Stamps
  BEARS on Stamps... Minus Polar Bears!
  Difficulty Purchasing the USA Star coils
  Let's see your most recently purchased stamps
  US #505 Five Cent Die Error and other news of the day
  I fined that lot what do you think it is possible
  Canada C-1 sheets of 50
  Holiday Windows perf errors
  Some post cards Does it have any value?
  Curious about Webstore anyone heard of or tried it?
  Norway 1932 Scott #154-157 2 sets, mh and used
  Don't know which choices to make
  Zeppelin Mail -- Graf Zeppelin (LZ-127)
  Scouting stamps from around the world
  Tall Ships on Stamps

Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2017 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2014 Stamp Community Forums Go To Top Of Page
It took 0.53 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05