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Posted 12/26/2016   6:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add chaulkdust to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message
I'm stuck on this one. Looks like a V but might be a Va - it's beyond my pay grade to determine. I don't see any scratches - but that's just me. Not quite sure what else to look for?



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Posted 12/26/2016   6:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
this looks like position 60L5. Va. nice stamp
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Posted 12/26/2016   7:13 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with rgstamp's plating - 60L5, a Type Va. Be careful what you assume when you see no side scratches. Only 40% of the Type V stamps will show side scratches that are easily detectable by the lay person. F-relief stamps like yours do not have side scratches whether they are Type V or Va.
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Edited by sinclair2010 - 12/26/2016 7:14 pm
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Posted 12/26/2016   8:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chaulkdust to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, that was fast. Thank you both for the swift expert info. I just looked at this site
http://www.slingshotvenus.com/Frank...inFrame.html
Is this a good place to go to better ID this issue? As I look at this stamp more under higher magnification I do see some very very faint scratches?

Thanks Again!
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Posted 12/26/2016   9:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes. that is a good site! I usually go back and forth from that website and Neinken's book. I'm kind of new to plating. Only been doing it for last few months. I get the easy ones pretty fast. Truthfully, I am learning how to do this through this forum and am glad to have members here that are willing to "think" out loud.

This one was easy. F relief has plate flaw over "OS" in postage at top for V, Va stamps. You can see this in your scan.

Obviously all Va stamps come from plate 5. With centerline on right it could only be one of 10 positions from left pane. I just looked at Neinken plating diagrams and matched it up. In reality it could only be two positions (60L5 or 100L5) since F relief only found row 6 and row 10. I confirmed it using the slingshotvenus site you mentioned as it provides additional plating marks and actual stamps that are not in Neinken.

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Posted 12/27/2016   08:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I concur with the others that this is 60L5 (see plate mark at UL). Chaulkdust, one method of triage if you suspect you might have a type Va is to look at the reverse-C shaped ornament at lower right (called "Ornament R" in the nomenclature). If the outer line of this ornament is complete or nearly so (as in the case of your illustration) there's a good chance you have a Type Va and should check Plate 5 first if you are plating.

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Posted 12/27/2016   10:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chaulkdust to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the replies, very insightful. I now have a reference folder with a bunch of plating info that I will try and use on the next stamp I have. I will post what I come up with so everyone can have a good laugh. Hope I don't get addicted to this?
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Posted 12/27/2016   2:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is an addiction that is all to easy to succumb to ...
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Posted 12/27/2016   8:19 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have witnessed, and to my own short-term detriment, helped a few become addicts. When it comes to competing for material, some of them have become quite vexatious.
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Posted 12/27/2016   8:28 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have a pretty good 60L5 in a 59-60L5 pair but mine doesn't have the centerline. I agree that this 60L5 is a nice item. When it comes to adding a Type Va to a general collection, I have always thought a C or D relief shown next to a Type V of the same relief was much more compelling than showing a couple F relief stamps where the difference can be rather trivial.
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Posted 01/06/2017   3:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chaulkdust to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok - here goes nothing. I'm trying to figure this one out as well. Since I don't know exactly what I'm doing - here is my attempt.
1. looked at stamp to see what relief it might be. As close as I could tell its a relief E?
2. looked for scratches or other odd things on the stamp. Found several scratches on the left side, light scratches below the N in cent, line/scratch through P in postage. Also notice the lack of design in the lower right corner. Horizontal smudge at top left .
3. Being optimistic I looks at plate 5 to start with, didn't see anything that matched up real well. Wasn't sure on how many thing need to match when comparing?
4. Perhaps not a Va so off to V plates 7-10 rows 5 & 9 no luck again.

Sure would appreciate someone help me find out where this is? I'm sure I made a fatal error along the way.



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Posted 01/06/2017   4:18 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
41L7
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Posted 01/06/2017   4:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Chaulkdust,

Imprint left side makes it easier! relief E as said!

agree 41L7
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Posted 01/06/2017   5:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chaulkdust to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much. after looking at 100's of images I guess I just missed it.In fact I totally blew it. I thought rows 5 & 9 meant the position numbers in the 50's and 90's. Now that I looked at the sheet layout I see I should have been looking at 40' and 80's! Yikes I will try harder on the next one!
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Posted 01/07/2017   09:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's a process, chaulkdust. You did well on steps 1 and 2. In this case, as rgstamp said, you could have recognized the imprint at left, which limited your selection (after correctly identifying it as Relief E), to position 41L on one of the Type V plates. Keep it up!
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Posted 01/10/2017   6:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chaulkdust to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is the last one I need to ID. I won't bother you with my detailed steps in trying to plate it. I obviously don't have a good track record. What I came up with was it's 57 L 5 TYPE Va . This seemed the closest one I could find. I thought this one would be easier to locate due to the flaws in the C & N in CENTS and the P at the top. Perhaps these aren't plate flaws, just inking mess ups. Couldn't locate any plate scratches, perhaps I missed them?

Once again thanks for any responses. I anyone responds in 10 minutes you will make me cry since I spend 2 hours looking at frame images.



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