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Posted 12/31/2016   2:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Do you have to buy a complete strip of 5 different ones or can you just buy any one single?
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Posted 12/31/2016   4:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BlackJag to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No, you can't buy less than the five different singles.
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Posted 12/31/2016   11:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cdn-booklets to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The sequence of the stamps on the coil roll are always the same. What can vary is when the coil foll is inserted into the paper feeder of the printer if a different stamp is at the beginning then that will be the first stamp on the roll. Since technically these all print in strips of 5 you could say that finding the different stamps at the top (or end) of the strip is a collectible item - just depends on what you like. However if you look at the original 18 digit code strips since the first strip of the value printed has the 11 at the lower left, it becomes collectible to try to get the strips with the 11 on it. I have only seen 2 positions with the 11, most of them are with the Lismer image, while I have also see the 11 on the Thompson stamp. If anyone has the 11 on the other 3 stamps I would like to know. So on either the stamps with 18 digit or 14 digit or from different machines in other cities, the start stamps can vary I believe the normal start stamp would be Carr.
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Posted 01/01/2017   12:59 pm  Show Profile Check Gilles le timbre's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Gilles le timbre to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The more I study these "labels", the more interesting (and complicated) they become. I just wish they would also be available in other towns like Ottawa and Montreal so I don't have to travel so far....Any way, 2017 could be another interesting year for Canadian Philatelist, and the information sharing on the SCForum is always amazing. Have all a happy and healthy 2017.
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Posted 01/01/2017   2:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Would these be philatelically classified as a se-tenant strip of 5 (different) stamps?
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Posted 01/01/2017   3:19 pm  Show Profile Check Gilles le timbre's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Gilles le timbre to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hard to say Jogil, since it is possible to "rearrange each stamp and make different strips, if one is carefull peeling the labels and rearranging the order....
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Posted 01/01/2017   3:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sak to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think this is classified as a booklet - like, say, the "Baby Wildlife" issues which have no cover.
I think the Canada Post offering has a header, though.



The numbers is: 10534110310001 and MacDonald is on top.
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Posted 01/01/2017   3:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Do these kiosks use thermal printing? If so, does anyone know how long the printing will last? My experience is that thermally printed 'image life' is pretty short (i.e. <25 years).
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Posted 01/01/2017   4:51 pm  Show Profile Check Gilles le timbre's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Gilles le timbre to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure studebaker, a closer look seems to be inkjet, but I am no printer expert. May be WERT or others on the forum can provide their own view on this....
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Posted 01/01/2017   5:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pwscg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Canadian Stamp News article says thermal printing for denomination and codes http://canadianstampnews.com/collec...iosk-stamps/
as does the article by Mirko Zatka in the most recent Corgi Times.
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Posted 01/01/2017   6:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am familiar with two types of thermal printing; direct thermal labels (DT) and thermal transfer; most kiosks use DT. DT uses chemically treated material which blackens when the print-head applies heat. This avoids using ink, toner, or ribbons. This technology is used in kiosk largely because of the low support/maintenance costs (fewer moving parts and less chance that things can go wrong).
On the downside, DT is not recommended for long-term use (lasting decades) but is considered long enough for many applications. You can usually tell if the label/stamp is DT by rubbing the surface with a hard object (like a coin), if this leaves black a mark it is DT material.

If this happens on these stamps, you can bet that within a long period of time (7 -10 years) the printing will eventually disappear.
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Posted 01/02/2017   01:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cdn-booklets to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I believe you would classify the Post Office strip as a booklet and it is a special printing. The stamps dispensed from the machines are really coils - there is a roll of something like 5000 in a coil roll inside the kiosk, which is essentially like the previous Kiosk stamps - they were actually coils. It will be interesting to actually see the post office strip as it had to be made specifically to sell to collectors. The machine number used for the post office strip is the Vancouver office but I doubt the stamps were printed there, more likely in another kiosk (or 2) setup in Ottawa or Antigonish.
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Posted 01/10/2017   5:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sak to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have yet to read, either here or in, say, the latest Corgi News, an explanation for the shortened value variety of the Kiosk stamps.
I kinda thought it was a product of start-up problems, but here it is again on the newer 14-digit ones:



A line seems to get omitted. Do all the lower lines shift up by one?
It's not the last position only - this one is on the second row.
There are no examples of it skipping a line, only omitting one.

This one has the fourth row shifted up to the perfs, but not the others.
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Posted 01/10/2017   8:37 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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you can bet that within a long period of time (7 -10 years) the printing will eventually disappear


I have some US Kisok stamps CVP44 ect) from 2002 or 2003 and they havew not disappeared (yet), however I don't have a clue if they are DT or TT. I do have one slightly older that is very faded, but my understanding is it was weak to start with (not enough heat).
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Posted 01/11/2017   9:53 pm  Show Profile Check BeeSee's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sak, you mean on the second stamp where the horizontal bottom line of the "2" is clearly higher than on the others?
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