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Posted 01/06/2017   12:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't want this thread to die after only 27 pages...perhaps time to start back at the beginning??

Notice the date on the first two...they pre-date Scott by a year...

(please - no jokes about my self-made pages! I am NOT an artist!)






Isfila 3,4,5,6 = Scott 1, 2, 4, 5

Isfila 7-18 = Scott J1-J4

Isfila 19-20 = Scott 6,7
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Posted 01/06/2017   1:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Michael,

Thanks for sharing this.

I'm intrigued by the 1862 dates in Isfila. Thanks for pointing this out.

If I look at my catalogues:

SG gives 1st Jan 1863 as the first issue date.

Michel gives 13th Jan 1863 for the first issue date.

This suggests that maybe SG has used an old style date and Michel the new style equivalent for the same date.

Michel and SG both say that the first printing was made in 1862 but not issued until 1864.

In the meantime the second printing was issued in January 1863.

The third printing was issued in either December 1863 (Michel) or 1864 (SG).

Printing I consisted of the 2 and 5 piastre stamps on thick paper = SG 7-8

Printing II consisted of the 20 paras, and 1, 2 and 5 piastre stamps on thin paper = SG 1-4

Printing III consisted of the 20 paras and 1 piastre stamps on thick paper = SG 5-6.

I've simplified the above to ignore shades and other varieties.

Does Isfila give us more information on all this?

By the way my Pulko catalogue simply gives 1st January 1863 as the issue date for all these stamps!
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Nigel
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Turkey
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Posted 01/06/2017   2:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


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Posted 01/06/2017   2:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hard to cross back & forth between catalogs -

But yes - printing generally agreed to have been done in 1862 - but not issued until 1864. 2nd printing done in 1863, and issued in 1863. So weird/strange & difficult to follow...

First printings are on extremely thin paper - almost transparent.

I'll post the other 2 pages from Isfila tomorrow...
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Posted 01/06/2017   2:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Michael.

I do like very clear illustrations in Isfila.
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Nigel
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Posted 01/06/2017   6:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Hi Michael,
this thread won't die after 27 pages, we are just taking a breath

Thanks for posting your work, I am completely ignorant of the first issues,
still awaiting my collection from the Netherlands.

Would love to see a couple of your stamps, up close and personal
one of the first stamps scanned at say 600dpi.
We rarely see close ups of the first issues of Turkey.

If you need any questions answered, I am currently corresponding with the secretary of ONEPS
We can run toughies past him, perhaps.

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Posted 01/07/2017   12:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Isfila #1 & #2 up close.







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Posted 01/07/2017   12:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From the Tughra specialized cat. Nigel - I'll let you decide which cat has the right dates!



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Posted 01/07/2017   12:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


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Posted 01/07/2017   12:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The rest of the Tughra listings from the main Isfila cat:



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Posted 01/07/2017   12:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For anyone looking at values, just keep in mind: my isfila cat is 2011. The prices are in TL. The exchange rate when this cat was published was app. TL1.5/$1. So the TL100 value was app. $67.

The current TL/$ rate is app TL3.6. (Currently TL100 = $28)

For the Tughras, I consider the Scott values to be much more logical (to the extent any of the Scott values are logical) - Isfila is high. But Scott doesn't list #1 or #2...
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Posted 01/07/2017   12:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One more page for fun. First page of my album, which is Minkus. The layout follows the Scott listings, which is why I had to make a separate page to follow the Isfila layout...



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Posted 01/07/2017   04:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Well done Michael, super stuff, what a page of stamps!
Nice to see your scans up close.

Curiosity:
Stefano Unidentifieds site. No longer on line.
Violet Overprint.

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Posted 01/07/2017   2:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Gotta put this one here - not a stamp you get to see very often. Also shows how deceiving pictures can be from the front - this stamp is almost cut in half - but looks pretty good from the front. And even with how damaged it is, still going for more than$400...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ottoman-Emp...AOSwjDZYZPo8

According to Isfila, there were only 175 of these museum revenue stamps overprinted for use as postage in 1921...
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