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Posted 03/26/2016   12:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message
It's totally worthless to purchase country mixtures and kiloware; On both they remove the stamps over 50-70 cents , so series are incompletes and in the majorities of case to complete the series you need to purchase the full series with the stamps you already get because they are worthless. It's easy to understand, let say I want start stamps on eBay, I will first pull out the more valued one and sell them separately, then I will sell full series and throw the rest in a bag to sell as mixture or kiloware and of course if I honest like the majority of sellers, lol , I will put few more valuable on the top of the pile for the photo and I will add unchecked lot to the description.



Scott albums pages are selling welt too, beautiful pages with only few stamps missing, well you gone again have to buy the full series to get the missing one, so not a great deal
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Posted 03/26/2016   12:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tim H to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Caveat emptor.

People buy kiloware for a certain reason but if you want to buy sets of nice old stamps try another purchasing method. You cannot drink wine from a bottle of water.
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Posted 03/26/2016   01:23 am  Show Profile Check TheArtfulHinger's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TheArtfulHinger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well if you're looking for complete sets you're generally not going to find them in kiloware or cheap packets. That's the nature of the beast. Usually most of the lots you describe sell for about 1-3 cents or so per stamp, sometimes more, sometimes even less. You get what you pay for. At 2 cents a stamp, I wouldn't expect many stamps in the $1 and up range. I love kiloware and packets and I buy a lot of them, but I know what I'm in for when I place an order. If I want completion, I'll buy that specific set or search for more complete or organized collections. Cheap mixes have their place, but there are a lot of stamps you're just not going to find in a cheap packet.
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Posted 03/26/2016   02:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Also, if buying or selling kiloware by weight beware of single vs double paper kiloware. With single paper you get more stamps per weight while with double paper you get more paper per weight.
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Posted 03/26/2016   05:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When I will retire and lost mobility I will for sure purchase mixtures (off paper) to keep me busy
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Posted 03/26/2016   05:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
TOTALLY WORTHLESS TO PURCHASE COUNTRY MIXTURE ----really ! .Everybody got to start somewhere. It is better to start at the bottom and work your way up . Now I take a plane, rent a car,and get a hotel room for a couple of nights to buy stamps at stamp auctions . But I started with those 100 stamps for 10 cents with mail order approvals and those packets or bags for 99 cents at the local 5 and dime stores .
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Posted 03/26/2016   09:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
You cannot drink wine from a bottle of water.


Well, it depends on whose wedding you're attending.
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Posted 03/26/2016   10:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you are looking for cancels or varieties, kiloware, or country "mixtures", are a good way to go.
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Posted 03/26/2016   10:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
... You cannot drink wine from a bottle of water ...


What thing to say during Easter!

But after you've drunk that wine, you can consider a weighty existential question, to wit:

Is kiloware a lot of stamps, cheap ... or is kiloware a lot of cheap stamps?

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
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Quote:
Is kiloware a lot of stamps, cheap ... or is kiloware a lot of cheap stamps?
Is your goblet half wine and half water, or half water and half wine?
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Posted 03/26/2016   12:54 pm  Show Profile Check TheArtfulHinger's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TheArtfulHinger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Also, If you buy on-paper kiloware in sufficient bulk (a pound or a kilo or more) complete sets can indeed be found, as well as some higher-value items. Sets are hard to complete randomly because there's generally one or more stamps that just aren't used very frequently. Your chances of getting a key stamp in a random mix of 100 stamps is pretty low, but if you're talking about a few thousand stamps, usually a few will turn up.
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Posted 03/27/2016   6:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DJCMHOH to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think if it is a question of an adult collector starting to collect a new postal entity from scratch the way to start would be to purchase a previously made collection from either an auction or dealer that specializes selling collections (such was Dr Friedman in the Chicago area.) True, You likely will pay more per stamp than via mixtures or kiloware but there will be a lot less duplication.

And while buying collections does not mean you always get complete sets, I find that the search for the gaps can be a fun chase. May take time but you do not necessarily have to buy the full set either. I know Delcampe can be good for finding odd values, as is the stamps2go seller site based here in the USA. Or you could try and trade with other collectors something they may lack for something you need.

And for those who visit that other Australian-based Philatelif forum, there is a wonderful -fill the gaps- thread in the Stamp swapping Subforum dedicated to helping collectors find that one missing stamp to complete a set.
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Posted 03/27/2016   9:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I stay away from kiloware because of the massive duplications. Now if it is more like a group of stamps removed from an album and put in an envelope, that is different. I agree the better stamps must be purchased in sets. I prefer to buy mint year sets. Working on my Hungary collection, I ordered year sets with SS from 1966-1986. Paid about $100. But the sets are complete, NH, and no holes to be filled. My albums go to 1992 and as far as I am concerned, that is where they stop. So I will buy the year sets to 1992 and then work backwards from 1966. It was a good starting point.

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Posted 03/28/2016   2:36 pm  Show Profile Check ecmorgan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ecmorgan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm feeling wise today, so, the value of a mixture or kiloware, as with all things, depends on what you hope to obtain from it.

Sometimes, when I'm feeling in a worldwide mood, I'll order kiloware and glean a lot of enjoyable time from it. That said, there is little value in ordering kiloware or mixtures in hopes of helping fill in the few gaps I have in my Haiti or Israel collections. Though you never know...
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Posted 03/28/2016   5:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you have any allusions about building a specialized collection with color, perforation, and tagging varieties, plate flaws, and unusual cancellations/usages, you have several choices. You can buy material from specialist collectors and dealers at very high prices...or you can buy kiloware from generalist collectors/accumulators or kiloware dealers. Most of my specialized material comes from kiloware. If it is good kiloware, it pays for itself very quickly.

If you just want to fill spaces in a preprinted album, then kiloware may not be for you.
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Posted 03/29/2016   10:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yepp, I have the same experience as bookbndrbob and Spain1850; kiloware is a valuable source for varieties, flaws, postmarks, inverted stuff etc. It's often a time consuming exercise, but very rewarding when the sought after stamp or cancellation is found amidst other 'junk'. I have loads of kiloware waiting on my shelf and I really enjoy the hunt
Every now and then even key-value stamps appear, but I always assume not to find them in kiloware. That would simply be a bonus.
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