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Posted 02/09/2016   8:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add bobone to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message
Is this card hand painted or hand tinted & does it have any value??





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Posted 02/09/2016   11:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I aspire to know more than I do.

Very high magnification will expose artifacts that will help you understand how a card was printed.

http://www.metropostcard.com/techniques0.html ... A Guide to Postcard Printing Techniques

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/s/ ikeyPikey
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Posted 02/11/2016   7:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bobone to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks ikeyPicky, Any idea what the corner markings are?
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Posted 02/11/2016   9:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, it is card #1 of series #71 by GG Company.

A similar logo & company name can be found at:

http://www.metropostcard.com/publishersg.html


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G. Giovanardi (1910-1912) Sydney, Australia

This photographer had some of his work printed in Germany as tinted collotypes.


Collotypes have a distinct micro-appearance.

If you can post a very high resolution (2400 dpi) image of a very small part of the card, I can probably tell you if it is a collotype.

I know the guy who built the MPC database, and I know that he has forgotten more about postcards than I will ever know, but remember that pretty much every online database was built by volunteer labor from the available data.


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Posted 02/12/2016   08:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bobone to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for the usefull information, I am saving all the links for sure.. ikeyPikey Are these close enough?



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Posted 02/12/2016   10:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, no, a photograph (sans macrolens) isn't going to provide the necessary level of detail.

I use a 30X 'pocket microscope' - a reticule would work just as well - to reveal printing techniques.

Maybe I just need to look at more of them, but even a 2400 dpi scan - which will help you distinguish real photos from half-tones in a heart beat - does not capture the level of detail needed to distinguish collotype from rotogravure, or to distinguish the different types of half-tones.

(Part of the problem may be that my scanner has a low optical (physical) resolution, and is algorithmically boosting its resolution. I went fishing for the original specs, but the manufacturer does not have the documentation online for my discontinued product.)

I am very interested in printing & colorization techniques, and wish you the best.

The Mad In Pursuit blog has about the best high-mag examples I've seen 1) on line, and 2) in one place.

http://www.madinpursuit.com/Tutoria...cardRef2.htm ... for black'n'white postcards

http://www.madinpursuit.com/Tutoria...ardRef3.html ... for color (and colour) postcards

As always, remember that these 'reference' websites are put together by volunteers on a samples-available time-available basis, and that different people have come to understand different technical terms in different ways. For example:

Q/ Are there differences between 'hand-colored', 'hand-painted', and 'hand-tinted'?

Q/ Do people use these terms consistently? (Okay, that's easy: "NO!")

Q/ How can I tell the difference between colors added to a photograph by the use of a photo mask and color-sensitive emulsion, versus a mask and brushed-on tinting, without calling Abby Sciuto?

Q/ Does the use of a mask & brush qualify as 'hand' work, or does 'hand' necessarily mean 'free-hand'?

I hope you get the bug, learn more, and come back & tell me.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
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Posted 01/09/2017   03:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I recently came by a couple Japanese cards that would qualify as hand-painted. Though it's not obvious in these scans, the sheen on the heaviest inked or painted areas is very clear, and could not have been printed. It's possible the lighter areas were pre-printed, then hand-finished. Has anyone come across similar postcards?



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GregAlex, Greetings:

I have come across these cards - and saved every one - but I am not sure that the very different appearance of the thick, black, raised ink of the tree and the thinner, flatter ink of the background is due to handpainting of the former.

For a similar example in another format, see:

http://goscf.com/t/31740&whichpage=3#365793

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Posted 01/13/2017   02:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It might have been possible to print something like using thermographic printing (the way embossed/raised print is done on business cards), but the technology to do it by machine wasn't invented until 1915. Before that it would have been done by hand, so painting would have been just as easy. Unfortunately these cards aren't cancelled and there's no way to date them from looking at the back, unless the Japanese script is some help. Here's a close-up holding the card at an angle to the light. To me it just looks too sloppy to have been done by machine.



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nice card
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