Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Stamp Community Forum
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some stamps?
Our stamp forum is completely free! Register Now!

High denom stocks and bonds  
 

Next Page    
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic
Page: of 2
Valued Member
United States
386 Posts
Posted 09/06/2015   01:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message
I posted my $14 million bond in a separate thread, but thought it would be fun to post all my high denomination items in one spot. I'm curious to know whether anyone else collects this sort of material. The dealer who sold me most of these said U.S. collectors have little interest, really just Europeans.

The bonds were all issued for a million dollars or more ...











Send note to Staff

Valued Member
United States
386 Posts
Posted 09/06/2015   01:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stocks required a little research to ascertain their value when issued.

On Dec. 31, 1991, just over 2 million shares of Sun Distributors, LP would have cost between $5 and $5.25 million, depending on when in the day it was traded (and not including brokerage fees).

The closing value of 999,9999 shares of Westcoast Energy on Sept. 3, 1997 was $19.56 million.

And lastly, the First Virginia Banks stock certificate. Closing value for 776,325 shares on Oct. 6, 1993: $30.85 million dollars! For this one I also checked on how much it sold for - turns out they lost about $5 million on the deal.

None of these pieces of financial history cost me more than $15 each, which is why I'm kind of surprised so few people find these of interest. To me it's amazing to hold certificates that were, at least for a short time, worth more than I will ever earn in my lifetime.












Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
1972 Posts
Posted 09/06/2015   12:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These are usually of interest to stamp collectors if they have a revenue stamp on them like they used to in the past. Is not the collection of stock certificates called scripophily?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
327 Posts
Posted 09/06/2015   2:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paperhistory to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, scripophily. I'm surprised at just how small that hobby is compared to others - there is only one major scripophily society worldwide (the International Bond & Share Society), which is heavily European - and has only 441 members. There is no US organization so far as I know.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
386 Posts
Posted 09/09/2015   01:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It would be great if there was a forum dedicated specifically to scripophily, but alas, we are relegated to sub-categories of either stamp collecting or paper money collecting. There are some similar aspects, such as bank note engraving, but yes, it is a niche hobby.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
386 Posts
Posted 10/19/2015   8:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I picked up another eye-opening bond today and thought it would make a nice addition to this thread. This is a 1949 specimen bond for the New York Bay Railroad. Specimens were typically printed by the bank note company as a example for the customer to review and for archive copies. At more than $14.5 million, this is the highest denomination bond I've ever seen. My guess is that such a precise amount represented a single legal transaction, such as the full amount of a loan or transfer of a controlling interest. Chances are there was just one bond issued and this specimen is as close as the public will ever get to seeing it.



Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by GregAlex - 10/19/2015 8:36 pm
Bedrock Of The Community
United States
12125 Posts
Posted 10/19/2015   9:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a NY Times newspaper abstract of what that dollar amount represented:


Quote:
The Pennsylvania Railroad Company has asked for bids to be received on Nov. 16 for $14,518,000 of first mortgage bonds of the New York Bay Railroad. The bonds will be dated Oct. 1, 1948, and will mature on Oct. 1, 1973. They contain a provision for an annual sinking fund of $300,000 and will be guaranteed by the Pennsylvania Railroad as to principal, interest and sinking fund.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
327 Posts
Posted 10/20/2015   08:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paperhistory to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Make sure you send a scan of that in to Terry Cox for his database. The underlying bond appears to be listed (in unissued form as an "odd" bond - that is, with denominations printed in on an individual basis) with one serial number but no scan.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
386 Posts
Posted 10/23/2015   12:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You bet I will! And I'll be sending him a high-res image, too.

Wt1, as always you are a big help in researching the background to these high-denomination stories. It looks like the Equitable Life Assurance Society answered the call of the Pennsy RR -- for the entire amount.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
327 Posts
Posted 01/23/2016   4:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paperhistory to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Smaller than we've been talking about, but here's a $100,000 bond from the Baltimore & Ohio RR. The stocks of this company are generally quite common but the bonds are much harder to find!

Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
595 Posts
Posted 01/23/2016   7:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add southpaw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If anyone is interested in a good book about the art of engraving on stock certificates, this is a good book: http://product.half.ebay.com/The-Ar...9226&tg=info
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
386 Posts
Posted 01/24/2016   11:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Southpaw - I think I'll pick that one up!
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
327 Posts
Posted 04/27/2016   9:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paperhistory to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's another odd duck - $2,067,000.

Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Moderator
Learn More...
United States
4317 Posts
Posted 04/28/2016   02:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kirks to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These are fascinating, GregAlex. Thanks for sharing them.

Kirk
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
386 Posts
Posted 04/28/2016   9:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice certificate, paperhistory! If you are familiar with the CoxRail database of railroad stocks and bonds, that particular specimen is one that there is no illustration for. You might consider submitting it.
http://www.coxrail.com/database/pri...=21489&t=rry
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
327 Posts
Posted 04/29/2016   06:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paperhistory to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Greg - thanks. Sent it to him a couple of days ago, which is why I had the image to post here. :) It should appear when Terry does his next refresh.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Page: of 2 Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
Next Page
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
United States Postal Service, Now on eBay!United States Postal Service, Now on eBay!
New Forum Topics Recently Active Forum Topics
  for US addresses only posted overseas, & what is the odd number LHS?
  Old Wells Fargo Local Stamp. Reprint or real?
  Can anyone help me identify this?
  Before and after Peroxide. No not my hair!
  Bids not meeting reserve price on eBay
  Pink? Vermillon? 1894 1c Postage Due "Paper Color" is completely through the entire stamp?
  precancel postage dues
  Is this Bermuda 28 with wmk.3?
  Forwarding agent or Business
  Scott #445 (A140) Coil Stamp Perf 10 Horizontally Washington 3c Violet? Is it Type I or Type III ?
  Providence Rhode Island 5 Cent Stamp With Red Strands. Authentic?
  2 Cent Red Washington Without corner triangles?
  Rules to Classify Topical Subjects
  New stamp error in Germany (christmas stamp)
  Guatemala stamp ?? Thanks for your help !
  ASDA Mid-West Postage Stamp Show
  New Online US Stamp Mount Finder Tool
  Regumming stamps - Why do it?
  Norway used lot off paper. 440 stamps.
  Places with philatelic references
  Need Help with understanding cancels France Ceres
  Question about Pricing of Korean Stamps
  Help needed identifying stamp
  Image naming : How to remove first 4 characters.
  Hi All, Could I get a certificate if this is a 534b ?

  Hi, Can I have help ich I believe is a 504 b type V11
  Collecting by Engraver
  for US addresses only posted overseas, & what is the odd number LHS?
  Old Wells Fargo Local Stamp. Reprint or real?
  Providence Rhode Island 5 Cent Stamp With Red Strands. Authentic?
  Where can I find Long Island ?
  BRIDGES,BRIDGES,BRIDGES! on stamps
  Can anyone help me identify this?
  Prephilatelic covers - any interest? Show - tell - ask - explain!
  What kind of features do you expect from digital (philatelic) publications?
  The Stamps of Turkey : On Steiner Pages.
  danish classics, show them to me.
  Layout of De La Rue Sheets of 240 on early British Colonies
  Scott #445 (A140) Coil Stamp Perf 10 Horizontally Washington 3c Violet? Is it Type I or Type III ?
  Is this Bermuda 28 with wmk.3?
  Pottery, Ceramics, Porcelain, and other clayware
  Rules to Classify Topical Subjects
  Speedboats (and other small watercraft)
  Scouting stamps from around the world
  Question about Pricing of Korean Stamps
  Bids not meeting reserve price on eBay
  Before and after Peroxide. No not my hair!
  K.B. Spezial Zeppelin Post Catalog
  possible 554d 10perf Washington 2cent
  New Edition of Michel Zeppelin Catalog Coming Soon

Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2017 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2014 Stamp Community Forums Go To Top Of Page
It took 0.64 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05