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Posted 08/25/2012   10:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add fabiov58 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message
hello,
I wonder if Spain and The Netherlands had precancel stamps or not.
If yes, there is somebody so kind to post a couple of samples'
Best regards
fabiov58
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Posted 08/25/2012   11:15 am  Show Profile Check smauggie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In my experience, Spain never used precancels. They did make good use of perfins, though.
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Posted 08/25/2012   11:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Spain: none are listed in the catalog of 'foreign' precancels.
Netherlands: Yes, all cancels of this style are considered precancels:


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Posted 08/25/2012   12:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fabiov58 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow,
great! So I will look to find the Dutch pre-cancel. Somebody told me that there are 90 different towns (from Aalsmer to Zwolle) which used precancel.
I wonder if they are easy to find or tehy are rare and costly...
Another thing I would like to know which are teh Countrie which used precancel.
I have this list:
-Algeria
-Austria
-Belgium
-Canada
-France
-Germany (EAST)
-Hungary
-Luxemburg
-The Netherlands
-Philipinas
-Tunisia
-USA(plus its Trust Territory and U.N.)
Are my list correct? or Do I miss some Countries?
Thank you for your help,
and warm (or better hot!) regards from Italy
Bye fabiov58
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Posted 08/25/2012   12:30 pm  Show Profile Check jamesw's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Canada certainly did.
Shown are two issues which show what are, I believe to be Style V precancels, though the one on the left, King George V, may be a style W (our experts can correct me).



The Unitrade catalogue has a page outlining all the precancels used on Canadian stamps.



Early precancels were bar types, showing various patterns. Later city/town names and code numbers were used.
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Posted 08/25/2012   12:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the forum fabiov58

Belgian had a variety of different precancels.

Here is one example I have on cover. This one os for 1938. This type of precancel was used from 1906 to 1938.

Chimo

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Posted 08/25/2012   12:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Are my list correct? or Do I miss some Countries?


This information may be helpful:


Quote:
Apart from the United States, which is by far the largest precancel issuing country, substantial use of the system has been made by Canada, Belgium, France and Monaco. Other countries have used precancels on an experimental or limited basis; these include Holland, Luxembourg, Algeria, Tunisia, Hungary, Turkey, Danzig, Austria, Venezuela, Peru, Argentina, United Nations and even Great Britain.


It was quoted from this link:

http://www.pssgb.org.uk/precancel.html
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Edited by wt1 - 08/25/2012 12:50 pm
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Posted 08/25/2012   1:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fabiov58 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you,
it looks very interesting the list you QUOTE.
I wonder that I never know that even Great Britain had precancel! Somebody has an image as sample' Also danzig is peculira... any samples.
I cheked Delcampe and eBay to see prices and offerings about Dutch precancel stamps... but there are no lots for sale! Perhaps the right search it is not "Dutch precancel" but something else... any idea how to reach those offerings?
Thanks for any help!
Bye fabiov58
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Posted 08/25/2012   1:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
More reading on Precancels of Great Britain:

http://gb-precancels.org/index.html
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Posted 08/25/2012   1:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Fabio I have a Netherlands specialized catalog...it is in Dutch...so I will have to ask my wife to see what we can find out about precancels...i have a Netherlands collection and this is the first I have heard about the pre cancels..but there may be something in the catalogus !
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Posted 08/25/2012   1:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Arrrrghhhhh! Every day I learn something new...now I have to go through all the Netherlands junk packets and look for stamps with lines through them !
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Posted 08/25/2012   1:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As it relates to precancels from the Netherlands, you might find this to be interesting reading:

http://precancels.com/wordpress/wp-...rCancels.pdf
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Posted 08/25/2012   2:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Translate 'precancel', the meaning that is, into other languages and try seraching with those terms.

Example
French = preoblitere (easy for non-French North American keyboards) or préoblitéré .

German = Vorausentwertung or Vorausentwertungen .

There must be ?? abbreviations for these also I would hope.
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Edited by Puzzler - 08/25/2012 3:09 pm
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Posted 08/25/2012   2:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fabiov58 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great!
how many information I got in few hours! I want to thanks all the people of this forum who helped me
in my start up in the world of precancel stamps!
Of course I am full of questions... but now I do not want to bore you! ;-)
Anyway a short question: which is the translation of the word "precancel" in different languages including Dutch??
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Posted 08/25/2012   3:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some call preoblitere by PO or preo, which is funny a bit in English I am afraid. No harm meant, just looking on Google and Delcampe and eBay.

I think that Dutch also use German words sometimes so the German would be OK mostly.
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Edited by Puzzler - 08/25/2012 3:11 pm
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Posted 08/25/2012   3:14 pm  Show Profile Check Petert4522's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In Dutch the translation would be voorafstempel, but that word is seldom used. The device that applies the cancel is called rolstempel
(roller cancel).
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Edited by Petert4522 - 08/25/2012 4:19 pm
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