Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Stamp Community Forum
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some stamps?
Our stamp forum is completely free! Register Now!

DUTCH and Spain precancel  
 

Next Page    
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic
Page: of 4
Valued Member
Italy
11 Posts
Posted 08/25/2012   10:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add fabiov58 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message
hello,
I wonder if Spain and The Netherlands had precancel stamps or not.
If yes, there is somebody so kind to post a couple of samples'
Best regards
fabiov58
Send note to Staff

Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
5764 Posts
Posted 08/25/2012   11:15 am  Show Profile Check smauggie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In my experience, Spain never used precancels. They did make good use of perfins, though.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page


APS Member #: 222539 AAPE, Maplewood Stamp Club (MN), Northern Philatelic Society, US Philatelic Classics Society, Auxiliary Markings Club, Canal Zone Study Group, Minnesota Postal History Society
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1898 Posts
Posted 08/25/2012   11:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Spain: none are listed in the catalog of 'foreign' precancels.
Netherlands: Yes, all cancels of this style are considered precancels:


Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Italy
11 Posts
Posted 08/25/2012   12:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fabiov58 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow,
great! So I will look to find the Dutch pre-cancel. Somebody told me that there are 90 different towns (from Aalsmer to Zwolle) which used precancel.
I wonder if they are easy to find or tehy are rare and costly...
Another thing I would like to know which are teh Countrie which used precancel.
I have this list:
-Algeria
-Austria
-Belgium
-Canada
-France
-Germany (EAST)
-Hungary
-Luxemburg
-The Netherlands
-Philipinas
-Tunisia
-USA(plus its Trust Territory and U.N.)
Are my list correct? or Do I miss some Countries?
Thank you for your help,
and warm (or better hot!) regards from Italy
Bye fabiov58
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Canada
6011 Posts
Posted 08/25/2012   12:30 pm  Show Profile Check jamesw's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Canada certainly did.
Shown are two issues which show what are, I believe to be Style V precancels, though the one on the left, King George V, may be a style W (our experts can correct me).



The Unitrade catalogue has a page outlining all the precancels used on Canadian stamps.



Early precancels were bar types, showing various patterns. Later city/town names and code numbers were used.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Canada
4347 Posts
Posted 08/25/2012   12:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the forum fabiov58

Belgian had a variety of different precancels.

Here is one example I have on cover. This one os for 1938. This type of precancel was used from 1906 to 1938.

Chimo

Bujutsu

Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Bedrock Of The Community
United States
12122 Posts
Posted 08/25/2012   12:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Are my list correct? or Do I miss some Countries?


This information may be helpful:


Quote:
Apart from the United States, which is by far the largest precancel issuing country, substantial use of the system has been made by Canada, Belgium, France and Monaco. Other countries have used precancels on an experimental or limited basis; these include Holland, Luxembourg, Algeria, Tunisia, Hungary, Turkey, Danzig, Austria, Venezuela, Peru, Argentina, United Nations and even Great Britain.


It was quoted from this link:

http://www.pssgb.org.uk/precancel.html
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by wt1 - 08/25/2012 12:50 pm
Valued Member
Italy
11 Posts
Posted 08/25/2012   1:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fabiov58 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you,
it looks very interesting the list you QUOTE.
I wonder that I never know that even Great Britain had precancel! Somebody has an image as sample' Also danzig is peculira... any samples.
I cheked Delcampe and eBay to see prices and offerings about Dutch precancel stamps... but there are no lots for sale! Perhaps the right search it is not "Dutch precancel" but something else... any idea how to reach those offerings?
Thanks for any help!
Bye fabiov58
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Bedrock Of The Community
United States
12122 Posts
Posted 08/25/2012   1:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
More reading on Precancels of Great Britain:

http://gb-precancels.org/index.html
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
USA
9740 Posts
Posted 08/25/2012   1:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Fabio I have a Netherlands specialized catalog...it is in Dutch...so I will have to ask my wife to see what we can find out about precancels...i have a Netherlands collection and this is the first I have heard about the pre cancels..but there may be something in the catalogus !
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page


APS 070059 Life Member International Society of Guatemala Collectors I.S.G.C. #853
Pillar Of The Community
USA
9740 Posts
Posted 08/25/2012   1:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Arrrrghhhhh! Every day I learn something new...now I have to go through all the Netherlands junk packets and look for stamps with lines through them !
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page


APS 070059 Life Member International Society of Guatemala Collectors I.S.G.C. #853
Bedrock Of The Community
United States
12122 Posts
Posted 08/25/2012   1:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As it relates to precancels from the Netherlands, you might find this to be interesting reading:

http://precancels.com/wordpress/wp-...rCancels.pdf
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Rest in Peace
Canada
6750 Posts
Posted 08/25/2012   2:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Translate 'precancel', the meaning that is, into other languages and try seraching with those terms.

Example
French = preoblitere (easy for non-French North American keyboards) or préoblitéré .

German = Vorausentwertung or Vorausentwertungen .

There must be ?? abbreviations for these also I would hope.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by Puzzler - 08/25/2012 3:09 pm
Valued Member
Italy
11 Posts
Posted 08/25/2012   2:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fabiov58 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great!
how many information I got in few hours! I want to thanks all the people of this forum who helped me
in my start up in the world of precancel stamps!
Of course I am full of questions... but now I do not want to bore you! ;-)
Anyway a short question: which is the translation of the word "precancel" in different languages including Dutch??
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Rest in Peace
Canada
6750 Posts
Posted 08/25/2012   3:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some call preoblitere by PO or preo, which is funny a bit in English I am afraid. No harm meant, just looking on Google and Delcampe and eBay.

I think that Dutch also use German words sometimes so the German would be OK mostly.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by Puzzler - 08/25/2012 3:11 pm
Pillar Of The Community
United States
3763 Posts
Posted 08/25/2012   3:14 pm  Show Profile Check Petert4522's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In Dutch the translation would be voorafstempel, but that word is seldom used. The device that applies the cancel is called rolstempel
(roller cancel).
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by Petert4522 - 08/25/2012 4:19 pm
Page: of 4 Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
Next Page
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
United States Postal Service, Now on eBay!United States Postal Service, Now on eBay!
New Forum Topics Recently Active Forum Topics
  Oi! Inherited a US/foreign stamp collection. Are the stamps real? Value? Appreciate input! Thankee!
  Vintage Streetscapes
  A question for dealers about protocol at stamp shows
  Journey to Bethlehem 1988 - misprint??
  Looking for confirmation on Carolina 9A
  Is this a Thai stamp??
  China - French indochina with overprint
  Need help with cyrillic stamps
  Excell precancel file
  1976 two dollar bills
  New, Rare, Unknown US Stamp!
  Mystic Historic Stamps Album
  Great Britain Booklet Help Apperciated
  Need help with Chinese/oriental stamps identification
  Austrian stamps with variaties?
  Railroad letter 1866.
  Mail from Hungary- Four weeks and waiting
  78-79 Japanese Collector Book - Looking for more info
  Scott #4001 and #4002 Common Buckeye Butterfly 2006
  Nicaragua Palace and Cathedral Issue
  Unitrade 715 tagging memory test ?
  Need Help with US 9 Cent Stamp
  Hungary Charity Overprint from WWI
  I discovered I was blocked from bidding
  R24c your thoughts please

  Excell precancel file
  Scott 4959 vintage rose fake stamps
  Oi! Inherited a US/foreign stamp collection. Are the stamps real? Value? Appreciate input! Thankee!
  Looking for confirmation on Carolina 9A
  New, Rare, Unknown US Stamp!
  Free Magnifier from KoalaStamps with every member review
  A question for dealers about protocol at stamp shows
  Arches, Columns & Gates on Stamps
  Vintage Streetscapes
  Need Help Identifying Japanese Postmark On Zeppelin Postcard
  Journey to Bethlehem 1988 - misprint??
  Scott 11 Nova Scotia - possible variety..?
  British Album Pages, are there Any Good Downloads?
  China - French indochina with overprint
  Christmas Around the World 2016
  Nicaragua Palace and Cathedral Issue
  Scott #4001 and #4002 Common Buckeye Butterfly 2006
  I discovered I was blocked from bidding
  Belgium King Albert I 1915-1920 15c color Vareity..؟؟؟
  Need help with cyrillic stamps
  How to remove Meth Head "Sling" as advertisement on SCF?
  The Stamps of Turkey : On Steiner Pages.
  Is this a Thai stamp??
  BRIDGES,BRIDGES,BRIDGES! on stamps
  danish classics, show them to me.

Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2017 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2014 Stamp Community Forums Go To Top Of Page
It took 0.7 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05