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Posted 02/23/2013   2:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jorge,

Argentina is a "mer a boire" in this respect!

Adding to your 1882 Enveloppe stamps:

Compare the typographed stamps by Bradbury Wilkinson and the recess printed by ABNCo.

Count the numbers of "holes" in the top line of the frame: 19 for BW, 33 for ABNCO.

The 1/2c typo:



The 1/2c recess:



The 1c typo:



The 1c recess:



The 12c typo:



The 12c recess by ABNCo:



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Posted 02/23/2013   2:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
However, the 12c does exist in 2 different variants:

- typographed by Bradbury Wilkinson
- recess printed by Bradbury Wilkinson

If you pay attention to the details you see why! And don't bother about the quality of my stamps!

The 12c typo:



The 12c recess by BW:



in details:

typo:



recess:



typo:



recess:

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Posted 02/23/2013   2:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Netherlands - Queen Juliana 1969 definitives:

The 1 guilder 25c:

In type I with a very thin outline - not only within the stamp design around the text, but also around the very outer edge!






Around the text you can see the straight outlines - nothing like a tooth-like screen we are so familiar with - and as an extra feature "little white circles just immediately above the outline of the "N"and the "E" [and all other text characters!] This has to do with the ink flowing upwards! The white circles beneath the characters had been filled up!
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Posted 02/23/2013   2:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
However, in type II the very thin outline of the outer edge had been removed and the outlines were left only within the stamp design around the text.







The regular teeth of the screen can be seen as usual along the outer edge!




At the left type I and at the right type II!

to be continued ....

P.S.

the screen in the text Is with different angles than elsewhere in the design! This is because the screen is part of the design and had NOT been applied afterwards while reproducing the design with a step-and-repeat machine. It was introduced in the Netherlands with the phrase "autotypical photogravure"! This not quite correct - and I hope Otin will agree with me - as the autotypical screen or surface-variable screen is a screen similar to that was is used in offset-litho! The traditional photogravure screen is depth-variable with the screen dots having the same surface area everywhere but with the depth of the hole being different... The autotypical screen has holes that are equally deep everywhere but the surface area may differ!




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Posted 02/23/2013   2:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mexico 1937 defnitives:

The 1c in screenless photogravure:





The 1c in screened photogravure:



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Posted 02/23/2013   2:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 2c in screenless photogravure:





The 2c in screened photogravure:




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Posted 02/23/2013   2:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 5c in screenless photogravure:





The 5c in screened photogravure:









the 5c has quite some shades!
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Posted 02/23/2013   2:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 20c Airmail in screenless photogravure





The 20c Airmail in screened photogravure:





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Posted 02/23/2013   2:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How bad a nicely engraved design can be damaged!



At the left the stamp engraved by René Cottet, at the right its modification:






The screen points still had been nicely "engraved" - or rather etched photomechanically :D :mad:
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Posted 02/23/2013   3:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Galeoptix, it's great to see you posting here.

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Posted 02/23/2013   11:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is very good to see details of stamps I have not seen before now.

Thank you.

Welcome also!
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Posted 02/24/2013   06:46 am  Show Profile Check stallzer's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, someone had to post these.

Engraved





Typography


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Posted 02/24/2013   8:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dirtydan223 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You have all explained a lot that was on my mind today. I was in the market for a US C-34 only to find out that there are dry printing and wet printing types with the dry type being more expensive. Thanks again to all for the valuable education. DD
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Posted 03/05/2013   10:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jorgesurcl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Galeoptix: Rein your posts are great!

VENEZUELA - Grand Colombian Merchant Fleet
Engraving/recess - American Bank Note Co. - 1948 (Scott 415)
Photogravure - Courvoisier S.A - 1952 (Scott 633)

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More Hitler heads this time from Poland (General Government)
Scott # N88 and N91

Photogravure



Engraved

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