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Posted 12/25/2016   9:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I think it is Russian. Your design matches those on the top row on page 15:


Wow!
What a Christmas I am having
Thank you.
Fabulous *.pdf

Query: Did you mean page 1 ( image D3 at top) or page 7?

My downloaded copy, only reaches page 13. (quotes "sample")

Also currency solved, the 1 KOP pays for the envelope.


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Posted 12/25/2016   10:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 22crows to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry for the confusion, it's page 3 of the article (Imprinted stamp designs), but p.15 of the .pdf
I was hoping you would read the whole thing as well.
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Posted 12/28/2016   10:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Mentioned in Scott 2009.
Does this Miniature Sheet attract a catalogue number, value, in later editions?
Would be Sc#1592a 1968

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Posted 12/28/2016   10:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Sorry for the confusion, it's page 3 of the article (Imprinted stamp designs), but p.15 of the .pdf
I was hoping you would read the whole thing as well.


I read what appeared to relate to D1-D3 type envelopes,
but as I indicated, my pdf only goes to Page 13. There is no page 15


Aha! I see, I did read it all, I was going by the page of the document, I have just noticed the pdf page in Black at the top, Page 15
Did not notice that.
The pdf shows no page identifier in the Left hand Margin, as most do.

All good.



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Edited by rod222 - 12/28/2016 10:47 am
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Posted 12/29/2016   12:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add YeaPolska to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just back after the holiday-from-hell, stinking hot, humid, rainy, surrounded by drunks. In a tent. We left at 5.30 in the morning, the highway never looked so good.

Sc#374 OSIECZNO
This is pronounced Osh-yetz-no, with a slight emphasis on the middle section. The cancel is a provisional postmark & there were masses of these after WWII in Poland as well as the other occupied countries whose postal systems were taken over by the Nazis.

They were made with whatever materials were to hand, rubber, brass, even modified German-era ones.

Left - Suchan, right - Radom.

Suchan is a small town in north-west Poland that was annexed by Poland from Germany after the war. Pre-war it was known as Zachan


1947 9 Sept. Grodzisk Mazowiecki to USA. A German-era cancellor with the German parts removed.
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Posted 12/29/2016   01:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add YeaPolska to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry to contradict, but Poland DID use the double-headed eagle at this time.

Previous to Jan 1 1860, Poland used Russian postal stationery, examples used with Polish cancellors make hens teeth look common.

On Jan 1 1860 a Polish stamp & Polish pre-printed stationery were issued to pre-pay postage within Poland & Russia only. Postage from Poland to other international destinations was paid in cash.

The Polish 10 kopeck envelope differed from the Russian in that the text was bilingual, cyrillic for Russian, Latin for Polish. The 10k rate paid for postage within Poland & Russia.





1864 Jan 6 Warsaw to Orenburg, Russia


Square "1" (Warsaw) cancel. Cyrillic "Warszawa 6/1" datestamp. Datestamps in Latin were used for Polish destinations, cyrillic ones for Russian.

The recipient, Josip Alexandrowicz Rawicz, was exiled to Siberia for his part in the failed Polish uprisings of 1863/64. The family was well off otherwise he would have been executed. A fair amount of this family correspondence has survived.

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Posted 12/29/2016   04:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add YeaPolska to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The "75 Years of Polish Philately " sheet (Sc#1591-92, 1968) doesn't warrant a separate number in the Fischer Polish catalogue. I paid $2 for mine years ago so it's not a major value item.

What is a bit more valuable is the sheet with the LEFT margin fully perfed through. This was noted only a few years ago in the Polish philatelic literature & the reason for it is unknown although it is surmised that some of the large sheets (of 6 sheetlets) were perfed at 180 to the others. Fischer has the regular sheet at 12 zloty ($4), the left-margin perfed sheet at 150 zloty ($50). I've been keeping a sharp lookout for this variety, it's not the sort of thing eBay sellers would know about, but so far no luck.

If some sheets WERE fed through incorrectly, it would follow that there would be some sheets with part-perfed RIGHT margins, but so far not a word.

Here's a souvenir from "Thematica 68" in Poznan



I've tried photoshoping the embossed part as it is rather nice
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Posted 12/29/2016   05:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry your trip did not turn out as planned, (Place in memory for next year)

Thanks for sharing your rich knowledge in this area.
For the record I have left my mutilated stationery piece Under "Russia"
I take that's correct.

For the record, I also show "views of Warsaw" 1946 cancellation with a number
"3240" presumably a rail freight number of a waybill or similar.

(Curious number at bottom of these issues where the engraver's name usually lies)

I also have a strange occurence, I have an answer to a question I posed about 10 years ago, from "Rein" and I don't know what the question was.

I think it was about an imperf example of the "Gdansk Monuments" in dull violet.






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Posted 12/29/2016   06:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add YeaPolska to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's actually a Censorship mark for international mail. Circular marks were used from Jan. 1946 & straight line ones (like yours) from May till Oct 1946 after which mail, telegram & radio censorship was lifted.

1946 23 March. Golymin to USA. Circular censorship mark.



The "Destruction of Warsaw" series came out slap bang in the middle of the censorship/provisional postmark period, a rich field for study

1946 23 May (backstamp). Lublin to Pulawy. Provisional Lublin postmark


What was the answer to the question re the Gdansk stamp?
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Posted 12/29/2016   07:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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It's actually a Censorship mark for international mail. Circular marks were used from Jan. 1946 & straight line ones (like yours)from May till Oct 1946 after which mail, telegram & radio censorship was lifted.


Great! I see a new album page being created. Thank you.


Quote:
What was the answer to the question re the Gdansk stamp?


This was 2004, a lot of water has passed under the Bridge........
Hope this scan is readable.

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Posted 12/29/2016   07:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Curiosity:
Similar Flag evidenced in the painting "Battle of Grunwald"
(My assumption flag of the enemy, the Teutonic knights?)









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Posted 12/29/2016   10:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add YeaPolska to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a cross on a Polish flag (white on top, red on bottom), possibly a navy flag. Punch in "Polish navy flags" into google & we get
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...ritime_flags

& the first Polish naval Jack we see is from 1927, the cross looking very much like our unknown cancel.



There has been absolutely no response to my query on the Union of Polish Philatelists forum, & I expected as much. The older Polish philatelists who would have this information, or know where to get it, tend not to be computor literate. One of THE best contemporary Polish experts has no computor & uses a typewriter for his (highly regarded) certificates.
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Posted 12/30/2016   01:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rodney,

The Handbook is now on line!

http://www.phila.pl/podstrony/ksiazka/199/185.htm
http://www.phila.pl/podstrony/ksiazka/199/186.htm

But you have to read Polish ...

groetjes, Rein
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Posted 12/30/2016   04:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
YeaPolska, Rein.
Thank you for your contributions. Appreciated.
Rein, sorry, my Polish skill, finishes with Doplata, that's about it.
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Posted 12/30/2016   08:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ClassicalStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,


The miniature sheet is mentioned in Michel, but does not have an official number.


Mentioned in Scott 2009.
Does this Miniature Sheet attract a catalogue number, value, in later editions?
Would be Sc#1592a 1968
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